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Picture posting problems.
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[size 1][#0000ff]We love pictures on BFT. We have a couple of spots devoted solely to posting pictures. We also encourage the addition of pictures to reports. In fact, we can now even accept posts for video files.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]Not so long ago there were some limitations on what we could post. Until recently, you could not even attach a picture larger than 250 KB. The system would reject it. Now we can take files of almost any size, but we keep trying to train members to keep the pictures below the 300 KB range for attachments...and no larger than 400 pixels wide if included in the body of the post.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]Those of us with high speed internet connections are better able to access and view the larger files with little problem. However, during peak times, even high speed chokes on big files. Members with dialup service are forced to leave BFT when it is too busy and sometimes never get to see some of the pictures posted, when they are too big.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]I have tried to be diplomatic about it. I have sent polite PMs and I have made comments on the board about downsizing pictures that members post. Some members accuse me of being picky, but I have to warn you that if you don't voluntarily change how you post your pics we could go back to the arbitrary restrictions...or limit the number of pics we can post altogether.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]Some of the biggest offenders are those who download their pictures directly from their cameras into a website "photo bucket". Then, they copy and paste the pictures into the posts on BFT. These are often several times too large and it is not cool to force people to have to scroll sideways to "enjoy" your pictures. Or, in other cases, to force members to bail out of BFT because the images choke their internet provider system.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]If you are going to use such a system, use the BFT Photo Gallery and post thumbnails. However, we would prefer that you downsize your pictures into the recommended range and then attach them to your post. That way, they will remain with your post after it is archived in the appropriate location...by water, technique or whatever. Photo bucket pics are often lost when the photo website goes down or changes.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]If you bought a digital camera, you should have received photo software with it. Most Windows based computers also come with photo editing features. Learn to use them. You don't have to become proficient at finely balancing the colors, hues, contrast and exposure...but you should know how to crop a picture and to adjust the size so that your pictures will conform to our specifications.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]1. Download pics from camera and put them into a named file folder. [/#0000ff]
[#0000ff]2. Go through each picture, one by one, to do whatever enhancing you need to do. Crop off the extra stuff around the edges that just makes the picture bigger without telling the story.[/#0000ff]
[#0000ff]3. Click on "Resize". The current dimensions (in pixels) should display. For large resolution cameras the pixel width may be from 1800 to 3000 pixels. If you just want to attach the picture, without putting it in the post, change the pixel width to 1000-1500 pixels and then see how large the file is...in KB. You want to end up with something under 300 KB. If you plan to include the picture in the post, it will need to be resized to 400 pixels wide. Click on finished or done and save the picture as whatever name you desire.[/#0000ff]
[#0000ff]4. To attach the picture to a completed post, click on the "Browse" button at the bottom of your post. That will bring up a menu of files on your computer. Find the folder with your picture(s) and open it. Double click on the picture you want to upload and the file name will appear in the window beside "Browse". Click on "Upload attachment" to complete the attachment of your picture.[/#0000ff]
[#0000ff]5. Duplicate step 4 for each picture you wish to add. When finished, click on "Post Message".[/#0000ff]
[#0000ff]6. If you have resized your picture(s) to 400 KB, you can add them into your post after they are uploaded. First, click on the attachment for your picture, to display the picture. Now, right click on the picture, displaying a menu. Left click on COPY. Go back to the completed post and click on "Edit", at the upper right. Once the editable post appears, left click where you want the picture to appear and then right click to bring up the menu. Click on "Paste" and the copied picture will appear where you have placed the cursor...[/#0000ff]
[#0000ff]7. Click on "Make Changes" at the bottom right and the picture will be a permanent part of your post.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]The above instructions work for adding single pictures. If you have multiple pictures you can open two windows for your post with attachments added. Keep one to click on the pictures, and bring them up one by one as needed. Click on edit, on the other one, and then toggle back and forth...copying and pasting...until you have all the pics pasted inside the post.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]At this time there is no "zip" function, for adding multiple pictures with one click. As always, if you are "photo challenged", "computer challenged" or just plain lazy, PM or email one of the moderators for some help. We would rather get your pictures and help you with them than to have you avoid posting due to "tech terror".[/#0000ff] [/size]
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If I may be so bold...

I use [url "www.photobucket.com"]www.photobucket.com[/url] and like it a lot. There is an option to 'edit' the photo's. Once you click 'edit' there is an option to resize the pic to a more appropriate size.

Also, if you don't like the software that came with your camera there are several 'free' image editing options. My favorite is GIMP. It's an open source alternative to Photoshop. Be forewarned however as the learning curve for GIMP is very steep. Another option that I like is Picasa. It's a software that was acquired by Google. It's very nifty. Not as powerful as Gimp or Photoshop but still gives you plenty of options, including resizing.

Just a couple ideas.
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[cool][#0000ff]We have no problem with someone using a photobucket. There are just two issues. One is that of resizing. If the photos are sized to conform with posting requirements, that's fine. The other potential problem is that photobucket websites change or go defunct. Any pictures you share with BFT members from a photobucket may disappear sooner or later. If they are good enough to be archived in an informational post, and they turn into red Xs in the post, their value is lost.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]That is why I request that members take the time to attach their pictures to their post, rather than copying them from another source. It is okay to attach larger file pictures, for more detail and clarity. But, if you want to also put them up in the main body of the post they need to be properly sized...no more than 400-450 pixels wide.[/#0000ff]
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[#000000][size 4]There is one other free software program that I have promoted here several times. This program does not accumulate photos on your PC like Picasa2 does, or store them in a external site like Photo bucket.[/size][/#000000]
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[size 4]Its Irfanview, and will allow you to size your photos by pixel or inches, it will also allow you to open any file that you pull into your PC. There are many other options within this program, but it is excellant for sizing pictures, and very easy to do.[/size]
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First is a tip of the hat to TD for the execellent instructions on how to post our pictures and the reminder of posting restrictions so that all may enjoy..

I will be the first to admit that I have posted incorrectly in the past and with the help of the mods here I was reminded of my mistake and given assistance on posting properly.. it is this type of conscientious effort by our mods that make this a great site to be a part of..

As for software to use .. there are so many out there and some of the good ones have already been mentioned.. the one I use is also free and is very photoshop like but is very easy to use.. it is called paint.net.. go to there web site ( [url "http://www.panit.net"]www.panit.net[/url] ) for a free download..

One other thing I would like to suggest is that if you are going to be posting a lot of pictures and, as saberfish pointed out, do not want to take up extra hard drive space storing them, then you may want to purchase and use a thumb drive... it plugs into your computers usb port and is very easy to use. they come in sizes from 1gb up to 4gb or more.. if you watch for sales you can pick up one for a very reasonable price....

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[cool][#0000ff]Thanks...but here is something even better. Just today I finished putting together the new "Help Desk" post on PICTURES. It reflects all of the new bells and whistles for the new board.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff][url "http://www.bigfishtackle.com/cgi-bin/gforum/gforum.cgi?post=409887;forum_view=forum_view_collapsed;page=unread#unread"]POSTING PICTURES...NEW VERSION[/url][/#0000ff]
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I know Dre' and others have been very busy getting this new site up and running and clearing up bugs that have been noted..

..that link you just posted is an excellent FAQ type link.. thank you for posting it..

.. with all of that in mind may I make a suggestion.. I think a FAQ link in the menu bar that would include links like the one you posted would be an excellent source of information right at the users fingertips..

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[cool][#0000ff]I am working on a complete "Help Desk". It will include everything from registering, logging in, sending PMs, adding pictures and basic navigation...to assorted basic computer tricks, etc. And, there will be a basic FAQ.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]Just so's ya know, I am an admin too, with lots of background and experience in tech writing and organization.[/#0000ff]
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I had a feeling something like that was in the works.. thank you for the update.. I did not know you were an admin ... made the comment on Dre' because SHE is the only one anyone mentioned as a programmer.. [Smile]

.. already noted the Fishing Forums link on the menu bar.. so progress is being made overnight..

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