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[#000000]Are treble hooks prohibited in any waters in Idaho?[/#000000]
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[#000000]Reason I ask.. Several fisheries listed in the book have following restrictions:[/#000000]
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[font "Arial"][#000000]NO BAIT: Requires the use of artificial flies or lures, with one barbless hook ONLY per fly or lure. Up to five separate flies or lures per line may be used, except where specifically prohibited.[/#000000][/font]
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[font "Arial"][#000000]HOOK: A bent wire device, for the catching of fish, to which one, two, or three points may be attached to a single shank. Up to five (5) hooks per line may be used, except where specifically prohibited.[/#000000][/font]
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[font "Arial"][#000000]No explicit words to prohibit use of treble hooks. The definitions given by the book indicates that a treble hook is ok on NO BAIT restrictions assuming you bend the barb...[/#000000][/font]
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[font "Arial"][#000000]Reason I as is becuase a Rapala typically has two treble hooks on the body. If you remove one of the trebles hooks are you ok, or do you have to replace both treble hooks with one single point hook?[/#000000][/font]
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I know Daniels is single hook and I thought Springfield is.
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I know springfield is but looking at the regs, the definition of a hook actually describes a treble hook too. My wishful thinking would be single hook is also a single treble. I think it would improve my catch rate to use treble....
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Lots of salmon river areas are also no bait restrictions. I figured someone has already looked into this before and I am Kinda wondering why they don't just say No Treble hooks allowed.
anyways most waters with trophy fish have barbless hook no bait restriction including salmon river areas. want to know if everyone agrees these areas they remove trebles from lures atoumatically when they see no bait restriction in the regs. Springfield is posted everywhere for single hook only, artificial and only 2 limit over 20" A treble here would probably get you in trouble, but I had never realized that no bait rule says single hook. and how this possibly applies to lots of other areas I didn't realize.
I hope you understand why I am somewhat  . Must be something I have missed all this time by not reading NO bait rule.
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this is a great question and topic. In my mind all trout waters would have better survival rate if they were no trebles, on spinners or whatever you are fishing with. but for bass waters and other species i dont think it damages the fish as much trout are just so fragile compared to a largemouth or other warm water species. also there are alot of ppl who use those trebles for snagging salmon and steelhead up on the salmon river.
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based on the regs a treble hook is considered a singly hook. Waters restricting them would needs to specify "no treble hooks" or "single point hooks only". This is what I was told a couple years ago when I asked a F&G officer this question. However I suspect that this could be one of those issues that could potentially vary depending on the officer and his mood for the day.
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I think on C&R waters there is no need for them at all. Now if it is food for the table, then they are a great advantage.
Personally, I never understood the thought behind a cluster of hooks, other than they held cheese or power bait better, so, what would one need them for on C&R waters.
They do damage to Trout and I am betting to other species too. That being said, fishing IS a blood sport, no two ways about it.
That IS the bad thing about Trebles. Great when you hook into a KEEPER, but 8 times out of 10, you don't...you hook some little guy trying his best to become that trophy and you have just shortened or ended his journey.
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On a related topic -- I have never understood why Idaho requires barbless hooks for sturgeon fishing; however, (as I understand it) one can legally use barbless trebble hooks. I would never use trebble hooks for sturgeon fishing, but wonder why they are not prohibited.
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I called Fish and Game today. A single treble hook with barbs pinched will qualify as a single barbless hook. The boise office was not sure so they transfered me to a regional office.
Anyways I quized some people at work and many did not realize the fine print of No bait rule.
I agree with FG about landing many non-keepers in trophy waters and the safety of these fish kept in mind by all of us when fishing.
I landed a 21" keeper this weekend and what a beautiful fish. I quickly put him back in the water, hopefully for others to enjoy...
the spinners I use are the blue fox spinners with a single hook option when you buy it. My rapala has trebles removed and a single hook..LOL I miss plenty but way fun to feel them hit the lure regardless. My spoons also have single hooks and I removed trebles too.
My limited experience has been that trebles usually remove quicker then a single hook down the throat of a fish. My treble catch tend to hook out on the mouth not inside.. but still learning....One fish on gem lake did not swim away when a hook was lodged way deep in throat. this was small spoon single hook. Must have caught the spoon when I stalled on my retreive.
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kentofns,
I'm guessing that barbless feature of fishing reduces death rate of fishing in catch and release, more so then prohibiting treble hooks.
just a guess, no real data to my thought,
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What would make sense to me would be to require barbless single hooks and prohibit treble hooks entirely.
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Aren't they to be Kept in the water and released immediately? It use to be. That would tell me Barbless hook is the way to go, but I don't get the squished barb on a treble. That's like swallowing a porcupine. Get one unhooked just in time for the other to get hooked.
Cool if it is in the corner of the mouth, which I got to say, people do seem quicker to set the hook when using barbless, so that could help.
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unhook one intime to hook the other 2 or the other to hook you. i started using the single hooks on my spoons over in bear lake last year because i was doing c&r. and i think i am going to start with my little panther martins on the small streams were the fish are smaller and its much harder to get 3 hooks out without beating the fish up, i will admit i have a hard time doing this on a single hook some times. i believe the reason your catching fish in the corner with the trebles is your using artifical? in my experience the fish dont take arifical as deep as they will a live bait or a sented bait.
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Thanks for the answer Jigs. I don't and never have used Trebles so just guessing.
That would be something....a fly with a treble?! You could make a fly look like three bugs rolling....LOL
Or one of those toxic flies....he, he, he
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It is illegal to remove sturgeon from the water. I believe barbless is required primarily so that if they break off they have a better chance of working the hook loose.
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fg i have used some of those double hooks not sure what there called for steelhead just tied a regular fly on them and i will say you hook alot more fish. being that you have to use barbless hooks up there i think that gives you a bit of an advantage.
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Really? I have a bunch of those Double hooks and got allot of hits but not takes so I quit using them.
I realize Steelheading is a whole different ball game though.
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i have never tried them other than for the steelies but it seemed like the hooks held a bit better than just the single hook.
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I have switched almost entirely to using the stinger hook setup for steelhead. I would say over half the fish landed were hooked on the second hook, but not the first one, and everytime except once the hook popped out on it's own while the fish was in the net before i could do it. Crimping the barbs makes a big difference in a good release, even w/ trebles. I have switched almost entirely to crimped barbs on my hooks. The one area I would like to leave them is the one area that they are required, go figure. [:/]
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I prefer to crimp the barbs over Barbless hooks though. I like that little bump, specially if I tie a dropper off the bend.
Articulating flies are my new obsession. Even Nymphs and Chironomids. I don't use two hooks on the smaller but the bigger, you bet.
I still use my laced stingers also.
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i agree that little bump helps alot. thats why i will only use the tempered hook some of those barbs just snap off.
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