New boat and motor with pictures and video

[idahoron]

Well I did some trading. I sold my old 9 foot FC9/ Sportsmans 9 a couple months ago. I had my eye on a new Sportsmans 10 that had been on the shelf way too long.
I picked up the new boat for a great price. It was like 200 or 250 difference with my old boat.
At the same time a new wind was blowing for the motor. I noticed a small motor in Cabelas and did some research. This motor is a Coleman made in china like just about everything else. The thing I liked about it was it is light. It weighs 37 pounds and that is a bunch lighter than the battery and trolling motor.
Another thing I liked was the motor can be turned 180 degrees to run in reverse.

Well today I took out the new boat and motor to give them a try. I went to Bell Rapids area. I was thinking that I was not going to see anyone there. I was wrong. I saw Idahopanfish and he was trying out a new boat. I also took a friend of mine from work. I sold him my old boat and he was trying it out. Well After getting everything set I took off from the dock to catch up with my friend. I fired up the motor that was laying on it's side. There is a reason the manual says "don't lay this motor on it's side" I found out. A little of the motor oil seeped back into the cylinder. SO when it started the smoke was rolling. Note to self, don't lay the motor down dummy!

It started and ran good. It took a little to get used to the new motor and going forward for travelling speed. It would go just as fast backwards but I had one small problem. Going forward the motor goes deeper since the front of the boat comes up. Going backwards the motor comes up. If you are going under 3 mph backwards it is fine. If you open it up in reverse the anti- cavitation plate comes to the surface. If there are any waves at all the motor cavitates going backwards. It doesn't do that at all in forward. So, I could either lower the mount or just not open her up in reverse. I am going to have to play with it some more to see what I want to do. In this video the loud noise is actually my camera rattling. Here is a picture and a video of it. Click on the picture to see a bigger picture.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGgAXykU6...e=youtu.be






A four hour run is hardly a good test of the motor and boat. So far I like it a lot and can't wait to try it some more. I am hoping that the little extra power can get me into some of my catfishing and sturgeon spots a little easier. I am also thinking that this will cure the dead battery problem I always seem to have after trolling for walleye for 8 to 9 hours.
I guess more to come. Ron
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[mudsucker]

I rebuilt a 2 hp 1953 Evinrude several years ago. It turns around all the way for forward and reverse. I guess they used to call them dock bangers because you have to pull start them pointing forward, then you can turn it around to back away from the dock.

On a heavy 10 foot glas rowboat, it takes the 3 of us along at a very good pace. On your little boat it would really move out.
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[idahoron]

I have seen some of those old ones like that. The ones I saw didn't have the transmission in it to kick it out of gear. Ron
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[flygoddess]

Welcome to the GAS crowd Ron. You should be able to lay the motor on "ONE" side. Mine you can and it says lay on this side for transporting.

Motor is great for getting from point A to point B but a little too fast for trolling (fly line that is).

Is that an internal gas tank and is it a 5 four stroke?
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[mudsucker]

[quote idahoron]The ones I saw didn't have the transmission in it to kick it out of gear. Ron[/quote]

You pull it, the prop turns. I guess if you are out of gas, you could pull yourself back to the dock.

It's really light, I will have to weigh it some time to see how it compares to your new model.
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[idahoron]

[quote flygoddess]Welcome to the GAS crowd Ron. You should be able to lay the motor on "ONE" side. Mine you can and it says lay on this side for transporting.

Motor is great for getting from point A to point B but a little too fast for trolling (fly line that is).

Is that an internal gas tank and is it a 5 four stroke?[/quote]


I like to troll at .9 to 1.1 MPH. Even with the trolling motor I had to make adjustments due to wind or current. I did a test with idahopanfish's GPS since I was too stupid to remember mine. I could get it to go 1 mph but it was tough to say if that speed will reflect a lake situation. This motor is a 4 stroke with an internal .31 gal tank. I put a MSR fuel tank in the battery box just in case. I have three of them. Two are 22 fluid oz and the other one is a 30 oz. I had them from my back country camping days.
Ron
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[idahoron]

[quote mudsucker][quote idahoron]The ones I saw didn't have the transmission in it to kick it out of gear. Ron[/quote]

You pull it, the prop turns. I guess if you are out of gas, you could pull yourself back to the dock.

It's really light, I will have to weigh it some time to see how it compares to your new model.[/quote]

I had one like that for a while. It needed a lot of work and I got rid of it. I like how this one has a neutral / forward transmission. It starts one pull and goes into gear easy, no jumping. Ron
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[drowning_flys]

Very cool ron no more dead batteries
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[flygoddess]

With Gas prices, not sure that is a plus...LOL
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[drowning_flys]

lol true do they make a bio diesel version [:p]
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[idahoron]

While i was researching motors I found comparisons between gas and electric. I was looking to see how many pounds of thrust the 2.6 hp motor would have. What I ended up finding out was there is no direct comparison between HP and Pounds of thrust. One guy did have this comparison. It takes 4400 pounds of battery's to equal 6 gallons of gas for a 5 HP motor. That shocked me a bit. That would be about 73 recharges for a series 27 battery. Gas is expensive but a dead battery takes days to fully recharge, and on long trips it is almost impossible to accomplish on primitive, and semi primitive camps. A tank full of gas in this motor costs $1.33 give or take a penny or two.
I am now looking forward to fishing Oakley Res [fishon] .

Ron
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[2dogs]

Very nice setup Ron. I hope you hook a wally big enough to tow you back to the dock[]
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[flygoddess]

[quote idahoron]While i was researching motors I found comparisons between gas and electric. I was looking to see how many pounds of thrust the 2.6 hp motor would have. What I ended up finding out was there is no direct comparison between HP and Pounds of thrust. One guy did have this comparison. It takes 4400 pounds of battery's to equal 6 gallons of gas for a 5 HP motor. That shocked me a bit. That would be about 73 recharges for a series 27 battery. Gas is expensive but a dead battery takes days to fully recharge, and on long trips it is almost impossible to accomplish on primitive, and semi primitive camps. A tank full of gas in this motor costs $1.33 give or take a penny or two.
I am now looking forward to fishing Oakley Res [fishon] .

Ron[/quote]


That one is over my head????? 73 recharges to equal 6 gallons of gas? No way. I can get 3 days out of one charge. It takes me maybe 6 hours to recharge a dead battery.
I look at it that the small motor you have was probably around at least $500. That would buy 6 ot 7 batteries. Can go a long time on those batteries in the primative.
I will give you that a Gas motor can get you to a fishing spot quick, but that is about it. I know you fishn rivers and that makes a lot of sense, but for stillwater, I think an electric is more practical.
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[idahoron]

I think battery life depends on how you use it. A battery only lasts me 7 hours of trolling at .9 to 1.1 MPH. This is with a series 27 115 amp hour battery on a lake. I have used it on the river to go up stream and I have killed the battery in less than 3 hours. The trip for me into Pillar falls is 2 miles up stream. If the flow is above 4800 cfs I can't get there in my pontoon. From 2800 to 4800 cfs the battery is pulled way down getting there but I normally have enough to get back to the dock with the river flow.

I don't know how the guy came up with 4400 pounds of battery's to equal 6 gallons of gas. I took the 4400 pounds and divided it by 60 pounds. That was a guess at what a series 27 battery would weigh. That is how I cam up with 73 recharges.

I ran the motor yesterday for about 3 hours. Most of that was at full speed. I used less than 1/2 tank or .155 of a gallon. I didn't take my GPS but the trip to the dam was 2.7 miles one way plus I used it for fishing and towing my friend into the hole below the dam where his trolling motor could not go. I would guess that my miles were between 5 and 6 total miles. I would guess that the actual MPG would be some where around 36 MPG maybe even better since this was mostly at a top speed in the current not slow trolling. For me to go that 36 miles with a trolling motor I would have needed to charge the battery at least 5 times for every 1 gallon of gas that is also saying there is no current. If a current was involved or if there was wind, the battery life would be reduced. If I multiplied 5 recharges by 6 for 6 gallons of gas it would take 30 battery recharges to equal 6 gallons of gas. That is not a laboratory study and my math might be wrong.[:/]
My friend that went on Saturday went the same distance as me and his battery was dead when he got back to the dock due to the current. If he were going to fish again on Sunday he would have to charge his deep cycle battery on a higher setting than the 2 amp we normally charge at.

The point being I can carry a gas can a lot easier than 1/2 of a ton of battery's. Or looking for a place to charge a battery when camping in a area with no electric outlets.

The motor is running 650 bucks but I got it with a coupon for 600. I got a series 27 battery last year at wallmart for 70 bucks. I could have bought 8.5 battery's for the price it cost for the motor. But that would have been close to 500 pounds of battery's to carry around. The life of deep cycle battery's that are drained below 50% is not real good and I kill mine every time I go. A gas motor "should" if taken care of run decades at least I hope this one lasts that long.

Figuring out which is better between gas and electric depends on a lot of things. I like electric for MANY reasons. When trolling I can adjust to a lower speed MUCH easier. I can maintain a certain trolling speed MUCH easier. Stopping when a fish has hooked up is SUPER easy with the on off switch I have mounted by my seat. I also like that they are quiet.

The down side is power and range. I keep an eye on the time I am trolling but I have been stranded due to wind of my desire to go a little farther. Charging battery's on long trips is also an issue. I have two battery's for my over night trips but I have ran out of battery power a couple miles from the truck with a fresh battery in the truck.

The down sides I see trolling with a gas motor are
Noise, maybe too much speed.

As I use the gasser more I am sure that I will find things I like and don't like about both. It will be fun finding those things out.[fishon]

Ron
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[flygoddess]

Like I said, rivers I can definitely see it. But as someone who has had a gas motor for three years now and fishes stillwater, a gas motor is only good to get from point A to B and as you mentioned, pull someone.
Idealy, it would be Gas in the rear as it does a better job pushing, then add an electric for trolling, or holding spot in the wind, or moving very slowly.


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[cpierce]

Ron, nice score on the motor. It should be great on your long floats especially. Now you can give the sturgeon a ride!

The nice thing about toons with a motor is that you still have the options of using oars or fins. The motor to get you there, and the fins to finesse your position if you want.

The new little 4 strokes are great little motors.
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[elkmagnet]

Zzzzzzzzzzooooooooooommmmmmmmm.


Was that a toon that just passed us?
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[idahoron]

[quote flygoddess]Like I said, rivers I can definitely see it. But as someone who has had a gas motor for three years now and fishes stillwater, a gas motor is only good to get from point A to B and as you mentioned, pull someone.
Idealy, it would be Gas in the rear as it does a better job pushing, then add an electric for trolling, or holding spot in the wind, or moving very slowly.

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I like that trolling motor up front. That would be a perfect set up for a walleye wagon. Ron
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[flygoddess]

Your half way there...LOL
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[Quicky]

A good way to look at this is by power used either in HP or watts. There are 745 watts per horsepower and I use about 20 amps of power in my boat to go 1.5 mph and it's a 12 volt system. So using P=I*V or power (watts) equals current times volts means I use 240 watts which is .32 horsepower. If there is wind then I use lots more power to maintain 1.5mph. The variables are then motor and engine rpm and prop pitch.
Now on to the thermodynamics side of things. Gasoline has about 45.7 MJ/kg or 19660.6 BTU/lbm. Lead acid batteries have 25 to 35 watt hour per kg. which makes them have about 95% less energy potential. Compare with the inefficiency of gas engines then gas engines still win by a long shot. I just don't like the noise. I do love the smell of 2 stroke exhaust in the morning though.
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