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Am I the only one that is having a problem with non-english speaking people while fishing the jordan river by the gates??? I was fishing this morning and several people passing by and being friendly when all of a sudden a non-english speaking couple just came right next to me and started casting in...Casting in front of me and setting their rods down...Despite politely asking them to move down cause I cant cast and retrieve with them there, they just  d awkwardly and kept on with their business??? Am I wrong in being pissed off about this??? I literally wanted to grab their stuff and throw it in the river. I know they weren't speaking spanish...and they appeared to be asian or similar. This is not the first time it has happened to me either...Freaking aggrivated right now!
P.S. Cats are steady using WB meat, WB were biting alot, but all the ones i pulled out were too small to hassle with filets.
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Not sure it has anything to do with a language barrier, more of a common courtesy, but I guess if you are going to fish the Jordan River (which I have no idea why anyone would) then you have to expect that type of behavior.
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I only did cause my work landed me right by it and my rods were in the car cause I was supposed to work in Heber...figured I had an hour between appointments and could kill some time....PS was NOT worth it!
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It is unfortunate but it is common behavior when fishing in that area. It gets worse as the spring fling gets started. Even through the ice at the pumphouse if you are catching fish expect those folks to come fish your spare hole or drill right at your foot. I have tried to politely ask them to move a bit farther away. IT DOESNT WORK!!!!
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My wife is of the Asian culture. I once asked her about this because it happens often with that group of people. She told me that it has to do with what they are use to. That is completely normal for them to find the 1 person on a lake and fish right by them. In there mind they think that if you are there you are catching fish there. Super super nice people but have no idea of local or American edict. If they are of the same culture and language speaking as my wife. She will tell them it's rude and they need to move. And they always are very apologetic and move immediately.
Before anyone gets mad I'm only speaking of my experience. I know there are some Asians that understand and aren't like this. Not taking a shot at anyone. Super incredible and kind kind people! But your in trouble if they don't understand you.
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Hahaha I love this post because its happened to me. I specifically stay away from the groups there even if that means hiking through bushes.
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[cool][#0000ff]We have quite a few BFT members who are of Asian heritage. I have met and fished with several and have non BFT friends from various Asian origins. I don't claim to be an expert on the cultural differences but I have discussed these issues with some of them over the years. [/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]First of all, it is not a universal thing. There are folks in all groups who are guilty of bad manners. I would rather fish with my Asian friends than with a group of drunked up redneck goobers any day. [/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]The USA...and Utah specifically...is a melting pot and attracts a blend of people from many nations. Our technology rich state is a good place for folks who speak the language of bits and bytes even if they are weak in the English language. And we were also a major endpoint in the resettlement program at the end of the Vietnam war. I was living and fishing in Utah at that time and I can verify that there were some major disputes between anglo and resettled anglers. The Asian folks often come from backgrounds where fishing is a "subsistence" activity...vital to the survival of the family...not just a recreational thing. They are dead serious about catching and keeping fish. They need them for their menu and they love eating fish.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]Second generation Asians, born to those who were resettled...or who were very young when they arrived...have largely integrated into the mainstream and are careful to know the laws and to observe proper sportsmanship on the waters. Some of these folks have confided to me that they are sometimes embarrassed by their elders who cling to the old ways...and often disregard both courtesy and the fishing laws. But since their culture does not allow for youngsters to chastise their elders there is not much they can do.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]That being said, there are plenty of younger Asian anglers who simply seem to go out of their way to violate fish and game laws and to aggravate non Asians. At least it seems that way. Especially when they are outfishing the heck out of you. Many of these folks have put in a lot of time and have been coached well by others in their communities. They have learned how to fish well enough to be able to catch plenty of fish...and they put in the time. The real die-hard anglers standing out in the wind and waves during the walleye run are seldom the rednecks. Those guys are home watching porno and drinking beer.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]As a group, the outwardly greedy and discourteous Asians are probably far fewer than non Asians or a couple of other ethnic groups. But they do show up when the fish are biting well. They have a network going and if one of them gets into the fish they will swarm the area the next day. For the most part they actually help by reducing the populations of a lot of fish that need reducing...like white bass. But they also anger non Asians by catching a lot of other species...and keeping all they catch...even in violation of size restrictions or numbers limits. But they are not the only ones.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]My big beef with that group is that the discourtesy goes both ways. They care not about crowding you if you are fishing and catching fish. But they want to start a war if you crowd them. More than once I have been fishing from my tube at Lincoln Beach and have had them casting heavy sinkers out at me and screaming at me when I am not even close to being able to affect their fishing. And if you want to work into their line of wading anglers you are likely to have them move closer together to crowd you out and keep you from moving in.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]Bottom line. Some folks...of all nationalities...try to use the language barrier as an excuse for doing things they know are not right...or illegal. Just like a lot of Utah goobers will chuck worms in a water that is artificials only...and plead ignorance if busted. Or the guys who keep cutts inside the slot at Strawberry...claiming they "thought" they were rainbows. The truth is that DWR is stretched so thin they cannot police all the areas and there are plenty of non Asians who should know better...and do...that deliberately break laws...gambling that they won't get caught.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]What can you do when somebody crowds you out and WILL NOT understand that you want them to move? Well, I am big enough that if I pull my "crazy act" on them they get the message. If not, I take it to the "next level". You don't want to know what that is. It has nothing to do with international diplomacy but everything to do with your right to go fishing and to enjoy your sport. And I'll guarantee that their ignorance act is usually just that...an act. Don't buy it. They would scream like wounded eagles if you did the same thing to them.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]In short, don't put up with it. What can you do? That is a matter of your own personal convictions...and your size. Just be careful because you don't need to land in jail...or the hospital. There is no need for physical violence and you never know who is "carrying"...or what it will take to set them off. Often it is better to simply try to make the best of it...or move...as maddening as that may be.[/#0000ff]
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As usual TD well put. I have run into both. The ones that move after we talk to them have often been older. 70+ an are kind. But there are for sure groups that know better. And TD you're right there are all kinds of groups...like I said I meant nothing bad...just what I've seen and been though. As for them doing that to me...I won't put up with it!
But I can totally see TD running around in circles drooling at the mouth and licking carp while trying to destroy an invisible Big Foot :-)
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I know there are a lot of people out there...even Utah natives that try to play the ignorant game...if nothing else, I hope some of them see this post, read it, feel dumb and change their behavior. I have been out twice this year is all...my first trip I had a boat trolling, they came right in front of me, maybe 10 yards off the shore, where my line was...and caught my line and snapped it...then this.
Fishing is supposed to relieve stress...not make my blood boil.
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Yeah you hope they would read this and change. But I often find that people that are rude or play dumb rarely change. The loud drunk red neck that offends everyone will always be that.
You can't cure STUPID!!!
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You could always go buy a Brown shirt and sew a star on it similar to this one
http://wildlife.utah.gov/dwr/fishing/law...ement.html
Seems no one wants to be near you then...LOL
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In Taiwan, I remember being totally weirded out by how the people don't form lines at the post office and such, just all crowd in together, reach across in front of you and puth their paperwork next to yours, etc..
It's USUALLY just cultural, man.
Remember, most of us whities come from an EXTREMELY repressive, militaristic society, wherein military organization has spilled over into our schools, workplaces and society. Standing in line at attention until someone says, "next!" began in Prussia only 400 years ago. Public education in Germany, Britain, and other began as a way to force parents to give up control of their children earlier, and turn them all into good soldiers and workers, without taking the risk of teaching them how to think. Our public school system is founded on that system. The first Secretary of Education said, in 1850, that our schools were "scientifically designed not to over-educate."
Cut them some slack for not having received that same early indoctrination you and I did.
If the language barrier bothers you, try learning a simple greeting, and how to say, "catchin' any?" in Mandarin, Cantonese, Spanish, Vietnamese, Laotian, and Cambodian. That'll take you 1/2 hour and will open doors for you like crazy.
Or, just cast over their lines, drag the lines in, untangle them, grin sheepishly, and cast in again. Repeat until someone gets punched in the mouth.[  ][shocked]
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Do as many of these things as possible. They'll eventually leave.
http://www.funnies.com/annoy.htm
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The last time I had a similar problem at Utah lake I just made sure to snag the other peoples line every time they cast in front of me. I then reeled in their line and put their hook under a rock and d politely. It didn't take too long before they quit casting right were I was. I guess the pain in the butt of a hook under a rock is frustrating in any language.
Kyle lauchie that link is great.
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and get busted for impersonating an officer- bad idea
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What impersonating? Brown shirt with a star on it. I see all sorts of shirts representing different things. If it isn't the DWR emblem, which I am sure you can not go out and buy.
I have a sheriff badge with my hubbys name on it. You can buy them in any novelty store.
It was a joke though in all seriousness.
Not impersonating if it is just a fashion.
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I like the idea joke or not.
If you want to really experience the combat fishing syndrome, go out to Willard when the Wiper bite is on.
I have never seen so many rude people gathering in one place like they do there.
All you have to do is catch one Wiper and you have a dozen new BFF's.
The problem is that there isn't any laws to stop it and there really can't be.
Everyone knows this so there will always be a few inconsiderate jerks pushing you right out of your fishing spot.
If you can't handle it, don't fish at Willard when the Wiper bite is on.
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[cool][#0000ff]And we have all had dealings with folks wearing badges that were guilty of "impersonating" an officer...and doing a bad job of it. The "Barney Fife syndrome".[/#0000ff]
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Sorry to hear you got crowded but its the sign of the times. Utah's growing people from all of the country even world are making Utah there home. I think most are pretty courteous but there always a few that just don't care and they come from ALL races.
I was at the DMV today renewing my license when a well dressed couple thought they didn't have to wait in line They walked right up to the counter and got pissed when the guy told them back of the line.
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I was at the DMV today renewing my license when a well dressed couple thought they didn't have to wait in line They walked right up to the counter and got pissed when the guy told them back of the line.[/quote]
LOL, now that is funny, there are always those that think they are above the rules.
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