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The snake river is a huge body of water. It is kinda funny how most of the guys on here wont ever share a spot. I thought we were here to help each other out. I guess some people think me and my 14 year old son will catch all the cats in the snake river. Or that someone will catch all the fish in a reservoir. If your not someones buddy on this site everything is a huge secret. I can catch fish with the best of them but when you ask a person where they caught fish and they give you the answer "on the snake"
that sucks! The catfish move around so telling me someone a little info to take their kids fishing wouldn't hurt. but I guess when you guys die so will the fishing and hunting because you refused to ever share with other people.
I'm not asking for exact spots but I see people ask for info on here alot and always get the same answer. If you dont want people to know where you are fishing fine but keep it to yourself and dont even post pics.
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i can understand where you are comming from, being stuck in UT its a little different. perhaps i can shine a different light on your concern. several folks put in a lot of time and scounting for certain special strecthes of river/lake. they put all the foot work, research, and time on the water in and tend to be less talkative about said areas because they "earned" what they catch there. whne they go ahead and let others folks know, those folks let other folks know, and those folks let other folks know, and so on. when the person that put in all this work comes back to a stretch of water they worked so hard to find, they find trash, 2346812376 people, and that their special section of water is no longer special to them any more. they then go and repeat the whole process again but this time remain tight lipped about it.
get out and find what your looking for. study the water, learn whats below, look at the structure. once you start catching huge cats, or bass, or trout (what ever your after) you will have the same satisfaction because you did all the foot work on your own.
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use this forum as a resource and make friends. its unbelievable the amount of things i personally have learned because of fishing with a few folks from here. network with like minded anglers, but be weary of the very few who will only use you for info and nothing more.also take a little bit of time and look through past posts. if your planning on going to a certain lake or beat of river, look back and see if others have been there.
looking over what i typed it came off as being critical of your post, and that is in no way an intention of mine. just trying to highlight the other side of the coin, if you will.
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I am guessing your talking to me.
When I say on the (snake river) I mean there are cats on ALL of the snake river. I target places that bank fishermen can't get to .
I have fished from Swan Falls to Marsing, And from Nyssa to Mountain Man Resort . I have yet to find a spot where there are NO catfish. Have I been skunked YEP more times than I can count. The catfish move your right. But they are not like salmon. Guys are catching cats in brownlee right now and they are also catching them at Swan falls at the same time.
I spent years researching catfish in Idaho. I have spent tons of money to drive and look at the river. I live in the Twin Falls area so it is 150 to 240 mile trip to scout.
I got a program called Google earth I bet you got it too, and did some work from home. I can tell you that ALL of the snake river has cats. Actually good numbers of cats. All you have to do is go try. If you have a boat even better. Bank fishermen struggle to catch fish at times. The river is constantly changing. If you look at the flows you can see that where a guy catches fish one day might be dry the next.
Look for Brush, trees, and woody cover in the river. Also look for seams in the current and bridges. Look at the debris floating in the water where is it holding and spinning. The edge of that and the main current is where they will be. As they stage for spawn they will be tight against the shore even under brush. Temperature dictates spawn timing. Fish are feeding heavily right now getting ready for the spawn. They will hit bass plugs and other lures ask smartweed. Everyone uses worms. I don't like worms my self for cats. I tend to only catch small ones.
I am sorry that your nose is out of joint. But I am as friendly of a person you will ever meet. I don't mind helping and if you read my back posts I help a lot. Do I give exact GPS locations nope. Not to the public forum.
I have asked for plenty of help. I have asked water levels. I have asked for boat launch help. I have asked for dangers in the area I want to fish. I have never asked a man for his "spot".
You say you don't want anyone to give a "spot" But you want a guy to share a spot which is it?
Again I have caught cats in every place I have wet my hook from Swan Falls down to Brownlee. Some places are better than others but there are fish everywhere.
Sorry again if your nose is out of joint. Ron
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I understand all that, I am a guide for hunting. Just saying the snake is huge, mabe something like " try by marsing" or something of that nature. You know what I mean.
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Marsing is a great spot. I caught tons of fish up stream to walters ferry last year on a float trip I did you can read about it and even see pictures and videos. If you have scouted the river at all you can see where I am in some of those pictures.
The islands, log jams, and stream inlets are the places to target if you have a boat. If you don't it might be tougher fishing. Up stream from where the Boise river dumps in to the border is a FANTASTIC spot. the water is a pinch warmer due to the Boise river, and owyhee being down stream. Now I am hot spotting. If anyone fishes these areas I am sorry.
The F&G have a location on their web site called tech research. Biologists write papers and add them to the site. You can go back and look at those papers. That is what I did. I went through them and did research. I have tons of them printed out and I take them when I go fishing for references.
You have to realize that I am in a pontoon boat. I drift most of the time for cats. I am targeting the most aggressive fish in the river. I float 5 to 10 miles a day. So for me to give a GPS way point to a spot I caught a fish would not do you much good.
I don't know one spot a guy can go soak a worm or a piece of cutbait on the bank and catch more than a couple fish in a day. I have tried it and I don't do well from the bank.
I have given you a couple of places to try. Where do I go to shoot a trophy mule deer? You can go ahead and post on this thread that will be fine. Ron
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I guide out of nevada, I just moved to Idaho a year ago in april. I hunted some of 43 last year and lots of 39 here in idaho. I found numerous deer in the 170 class and 2 over 180 last year from bogus basin road and 8th street on up to ridgeline road. Those dandg 180 bucks are hard to get on!! busted me too many times to count. never did kill one, passed alot of deer in the 140-160 range. looked at over 100 head every day. ended up my 14 year old killed a spike deer and a cow elk with his bow and I killed a cow with a bow as well.
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As a guide I am kind of surprised that people are not willing to give out exact locations. As a guide did you tell guys where to go that were not paying you? Guys that you don't know on a personal basis. Did you pack out game for free fo guys that couldn't pack them out on their own?
On that trophy buck I need a drainage. Ron
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Yes I have helped many, I can tell people exact places to go, dosnt mean they will find the deer or elk. Oh and that trophy buck was 3/4 the way up the hard guy trail on the left side I watched hikers walk 100 yards from him bedded more than once.
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Another solution to the lurker issue is asking in pm's, Keeps the info from the open internet and helps because you can talk a little more and get a bit more rapport with the person that you're asking for help, who knows you might make a friend [  ].
I wouldn't tell people right where or how I'm fishing either but a few pm's and i'll open up a bit on info, just don't care to post a lot of specifics on my spots. Like what was said in a previous post I worked my butt off finding places where I can get into a few big fish and I don't care to have lots of people running down there and fishing how I fish and taking fish out of the system.
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First of all I think your post is miss titled. I believe that most of the people on here are very friendly and give a lot of information. Lately people have become more closed up because of lurkers who take and take without adding anything positive to the forum.
It takes time to build a relationship of trust. The best way to build that trust is to keep giving positive contributions to the forum.
As others have said ask for specifics in a PM.
This goes for everyone if we really want BFT to continue to be a great place we all need to give and not just take. At least give appreciation for those who take the time to post. It takes me an hour to prepare pics for a good post 5 hours for a video. Who wants to keep doing that when 5 people respond and 400 people view your post on the first day without even saying thanks for taking the time to post.
I guess is what I'm saying is that I really enjoy the regulars who provide meaningful info, education, entertainment etc... I also understand why they are becoming more close lipped to the lurkers.
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Sorry all, I have a small fiberglass boat I was thinking of trying some spots on the snake. I understand what you are saying, also you have to understand that you could tell 100 people about a spot and generally 5 % of them might be successful, and 5% of those will have the means or drive to catch those fish our kill the animals at such locations.
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Wow, Ron, that is a lot of great information! I think I learned more about catfish and catching them in the few minutes that it took to read your posts, than I have in any other article or research paper that I have read in the last 2 years. Thanks!
Cattrapr, I understand your frustration, but all of us have seen some great areas trashed by being posted on the Internet. It isn't about you or any other individual that posts on here. It is about the 500 "guests" that are reading these posts for what they can take. There are a lot of them on here at any given time. Add to that, that the post will be on here for years, available to be searched out by a couple of hundred more people.
Most of us are more than willing to help and even to give more specifics in Private Messages. Not always the exact spot, and sometimes there are places that I don't reveal at all, but I know that I am more willing to speak frankly if it is just between a few people.
I think Ron is right in that if you go to most of the accesses on the Snake you will find some good fishing. Good luck.
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Amen to Windriver and cpierce. There have been approx. 250 views of this thread already, and I'm betting the majority are lurkers. I have always shared details by means of PM's. I, too, have found that there is more generosity on this particular site than most any out there. Check out the state of Washington sites for some mean-spiritedness. Can't count the number of times regulars have explained where they will be on a particular weekend if someone wants some help. Mike
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How do you see the number of views on a thread? Ron
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There are the views on the left side under poster's avatar. Looking at the first post in this thread it has been viewed over 270 times in the 4 hours it has been opened.
If you look above the title in the medium blue bar you will see "Who's Online". Clicking it tells you who's online and how many "guests" are on. When I just looked there are about 20 registered and 270 guests that have been on in the last 15 minutes.
That is a lot of people reading these!
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Your welcome, and I didn't even get into finding and targeting catfish in deep water using sonar[  ] .
I have a lot of people contact me about catfishing in PM's. I try to help out when I can. One guy contacted me from out of state about how to drift for cats. I asked him to send me the location on google earth. I looked over the river with the images and gave him my recommendation. He scored big on the spots I told him where I would fish. I enjoyed that one a bunch.
I would not be where I am now with catfishing if it were not for tubedude. He didn't tell me where to go, he told me what I was doing wrong. He also sold me his book and that helped too. After I understood what I needed to do I did the research and got into the water. I spent the money on gas and worked hard.
Smartweed has been a huge help for me with river knowledge. Before I took my 30+ mile trip down the river I had several discussions about what to expect on the river. Mostly for safety. When it comes to river safety I am free with that knowledge. If I know something I will tell if someone asks.
I try to help with fishing info, but if I don't know that person I give general info. One method of asking info is to have my own research done on a section of river or lake before I ask the question. The when I ask I say something like " Dear catfisherguy I am thinking about floating the river from Homedale to The Idaho border. Can you tell me if it would be safe? IS there anything I should look out for? And if you don't mind what are the populations of fish in that area?" That is how I have asked for help. Any help I have ever been given is kept to only me. That person didn't tell me and all the rest of Al Gores internet. Like I said if someone asks I help, If I know someone pretty good I am more generous.
As you know not all people go fishing and use restraint when it comes to harvest. I have witnessed some over harvest of epic per portions. To be honest I don't want the areas I fish to be over harvested because I said something to the wrong person. Ron
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I hear ya on the internet scouters are a big problem, I find the same situation on the waterfowl sites that I visit, I have too go as far as blurring the background... its crazy, PM people, talk on the forum and contribute, earn some respect and trust and do the PM deal, I don't expect anybody too hand out anything if I ask... that's something you earn, and i'm of the younger generation and I was taught too respect your elders and too only be friendly and they will provide information when they feel comfortable with you and trust in your decisions.... that said I was at one time on the opposite side of the fence and caught criticized many of times and even almost quite doing the forum deal and but I pushed on and GOT OVER IT and I understood where they were coming from and eventually got invited on a few hunts fishing adventures etc, and thats how I became friends with hooknhunter/idahopanfish on a different site....
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Hello, I just registered because I feel called out as one of thore 270 lurkers on the sight. I've been one for a couple of months now. Here's a couple of reasons why.
Living in eastern Idaho, my home waters have been covered in at least a dozen guidebooks giving all the where, when and how information anyone could need to fish here.
This forum provides a huge amount if information for the rest of the state. It's really the only source for anything on the Snake below American Falls, and I've enjoyed searching for information in all the old posts.
As a new convert to bass fishing it's been great to learn about other fishing possibilities within a few hours drive downstream from me. To most here the fishing stops at Menan boat ramp.
Of course my first instinct when seeing a post about a place like Massacre Rocks is to ask Windriver what bank to fish? What lure to use? How far downstream. But I won't because it would take the fun out of finding out myself next week. The important thing is I didn't know there was a boat ramp or decent fishing before doing some reading here.
If you guys want a thank you you have it! THANKS! I,ll probably mostly lurk though. If someone wanted to know f the Henry's or SF is fishing better this week I'd answer, if you want to know what section and what size pmd to use its best to just go find out yourself.
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Before the internet and fishing forums came along, how exactly did people find out where to fish, what bait/ lure/ fly to use, how deep to go, how fast to troll, etc. etc. etc.?
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Ok............... I have to apologize for coming off that way, I now understand as well why you keep thing on the down low on the site. Thank you ron for the info you gave me. Next time I will just PM when I want to ask a question. Again I am very sorry.
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