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I have been wanting to do this carp on the fly thing for a while, and this morning Flygoddess was kind enough to take me out and show me the the ropes on carpin... I was not dissapointed!
After losing one that got wrapped around a log and then another right before I got him in the net, I finally landed this guy. I had no idea the fight I was in for but what a rush it was! It took a while to land him on my 6wt but I am absolutely hooked. Its not easy to fool these guys into hitting that fly but the work is well worth it!
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I also managed to pick up a few small bass as well. Those were another first on a fly rod. Two fish off my fly fishing bucket list in one day...I'll take it! So a big thank you to joni for always being so willing to share her passion and knowledge of this crazy sport we all love so much, We need more folks like her... Fish on![fishin][inline download.jpg]
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Sweet! I need to land me one of those scaly beasts!! Think a 5 weight will suffice? What kind of flies?
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You need a 6wt at least... Mine was working ok but I takes a long time to bring in. I needed someone with a net while I brought it close... As far as flies I was using some that Joni tied up. I have been reading that San Juan worms and prince nymphs work pretty good
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A 5wt will work here is a pic of my biggest carp to date and it was on a red san Juan on my 5wt. 30 something inches.
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Well sure, a Barbie pole will work. It's just not reccomended
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Problem is, as I told Tyler yesterday, I have hooked Carp on both flies at the same time (different area I will have to show you some time). 8 wt was under gunned.
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Considering a 8 weight combo set up is $100 I would just get a freakin 8 weight.
Well worth the investment! I love mine for the bigger fish.
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Tyler, I am pming you a Gentleman's info that has the PREDATOR (the Redington rod I mentioned) and I believe a ICON reel for a couple of bills.
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[quote TylerKunz]Well sure, a Barbie pole will work. It's just not reccomended[/quote]
Seriously? You fish for a year or 2 with a flyrod, catch one carp and now you are qualified to talk Barbie pole smack? Nothing wrong with throwing out your opinion, but you really need to get a little more mileage under your belt before you spout off like that.
Jeremy obviously has the experience to have successfully fished for carp with his 5 wt and actually took the time to give his opinion that was asked for. I will second his opinion that a 5 wt is adequate to use for carp or pretty much anything that swims in most Utah waters (exceptions might be big wipers or stripers and tiger muskies). Just don't get your rod back so far that you bend it double and you will be fine.
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[quote fishned][quote TylerKunz]Well sure, a Barbie pole will work. It's just not reccomended[/quote]
Seriously? You fish for a year or 2 with a flyrod, catch one carp and now you are qualified to talk Barbie pole smack? Nothing wrong with throwing out your opinion, but you really need to get a little more mileage under your belt before you spout off like that.
Jeremy obviously has the experience to have successfully fished for carp with his 5 wt and actually took the time to give his opinion that was asked for. I will second his opinion that a 5 wt is adequate to use for carp or pretty much anything that swims in most Utah waters (exceptions might be big wipers or stripers and tiger muskies). Just don't get your rod back so far that you bend it double and you will be fine.[/quote] somebody obviously has his panties in a bunch today! First off while I am sure Jeremy is glad that you are his knight in shining armor and came to his rescue, you need to check your information before you go attacking people. I have been fly fishing for 15 years... The rod I caught that carp on I built myself. I know these utah rivers like the back of my hand. I tie my own flies, I am a proud tu member and have turned several people onto the joys of fly fishing. Does that make me an expert? Absolutely not, I am learning every single day from people 1000 times better than I am. In no way was i tryin to offend Jeremy with my comment. I guess it was a joke that you decided to take personally. If you ask anyone who I have fished with they will tell you that this is my true passion in life. Besides my family, it's all I think about. With that being said, anytime you want to meet on the the river and receive a fly fishing lesson I am happy to oblige... On the house of course.
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And just to clarify to Jeremy... I meant no disrespect whatsoever. I guess it was a poor analogy.
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Dude he was making a joke I don't know what your problem is. You can catch just about any fish on any rod all he was saying is its better to have a bigger rod for the fishes sake,he didn't say you couldn't catch one on a smaller rod, get over yourself.
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I guess the point of my post was that an obviously less experienced fisherman asked a legitimate question requesting opinions as to whether his 5 wt was adequate to go after carp. One opinion came back yes. Yours was no. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
I feel no compulsion to post my fishing resume to legitimize mine. I do feel compelled to say that in my opinion there is no need for anyone (especially a newer fisherman) to cough up a couple hundred bucks when what he already owns is adequate if he uses it right.
I realize you were just trying to be cute. Just wanted to point out that others might take what you have to say seriously.
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If landed properly (by the butt) any rod will work. Good friend Lance Egan landed a 30" carp with a O weight. It can be done. Is it the wises choice? Not always, he did indeed break that rod later.
I was with Tyler and watched his first Carp cross river like a freight train. It found some underwater protection and he eventually had to break him off.
If he had had a 6 or 8 wt. "I" feel he could have put the breaks on or redirected it.
I have been catching carp for many years. You could probably do it with a 4 or 5 wt. Absolutely. You can also change a tire using a Crescent Wrench!
What I am getting at is there is a tool for every job.
I was the one that told Tyler that an 8 wt is best for this job. Smallest I have used is a 6 wt. But then again I have my choice of several...lucky that way.
For UTAH waters, I will tell newbies, two rods to get by. A 4 wt and a 6 wt.
As for Jeremy, DUDE! we so got to go Carpin' together. Love your work[  ]
On beginners, I know people that are only able to fish a few times a year, but they have been doing it all their lives. Then I see a eager newbie come along and fish every day he or she can for a year straight.....which one is the newbie now?
I certainly don't know it all and I surly haven't caught every fish on my list, but what a rush trying...know what I mean?[laugh][  ]
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[quote fishned]I guess the point of my post was that an obviously less experienced fisherman asked a legitimate question requesting opinions as to whether his 5 wt was adequate to go after carp. One opinion came back yes. Yours was no. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
I feel no compulsion to post my fishing resume to legitimize mine. I do feel compelled to say that in my opinion there is no need for anyone (especially a newer fisherman) to cough up a couple hundred bucks when what he already owns is adequate if he uses it right.
I realize you were just trying to be cute. Just wanted to point out that others might take what you have to say seriously.[/quote] this whole thing just sounds hypocritical to me... Indeed everyone is entitled to their opinion, which is what I gave... For some reason you decided to go after me for it. It's ok, I'm a big boy and can handle it. I didn't question your fishing resume like you did mine. It seems I misunderstood your post according to you... Sounds familiar no? As far as a newb using a 5wt, I wouldn't reccomend it. On account of they haven't fought a fish that big (I'm guessing) and may not know how to handle such a strong fish yet. So why risk breaking their brand new rod they got for Christmas when you can buy a cheap 8wt and be safe!
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And may I add, not all 5 wts are equal. Or any other weight/ It depends on the flex.
I tried a GLASS 8 wt last week. Lost a bunch of hook ups because I couldn't set the hook hard enough for that rubbery mouth.
But I landed several at Utah Lake using a glass rod.
A fast action or medium fast action rod for Carp is my story and I am sticking to it[ ]
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I agree 100 % not all 5 wts are created equal. There are a thousand variables involved beyond simply saying 5 wt. Like whether it's on a river or still water, speed of current, tippet size, some fish headshake, some run for cover, some jump, slower rods are more forgiving of sharp jerks, etc. Hell, there's really no consistency in what they rate their rods between manufacturers.
I guess maybe I really should have kept my mouth shut. I just thought it was bad advice to tell a guy with only one rod not to try something simply because of a one click difference in rod size. The attempt at humor just came across as something many of the cocky posters over on UOTF might come up with.
As far as your offer for lessons go Tyler, I'd probably take you up on that offer if you were about 1800 miles east and have any experience with river smallies on a popper. I am currently living in Ohio and on the front edge of what is apparently a very long learning curve. I can do largies on a popper all day long, bur these smallies are kicking my ass.
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I can't comment on UOTF as many of the posters there are very good friends, but they do not pull punches, that's for sure.
Fly Fishers are more special than people give credit. They will take whatever they have and "MAKE" it work. Many only have one choice. Maybe because of money or maybe because they rely on the spin or bait gear if they are not achieving their goal with a fly.
As time and more money come, we learn what each of us find to be more a asset to our style.
Talking any fish over 24", a 6 wt to 8 wt. is certainly not out of the norm, in fact for the fish sake, probably advised if you plan on C&R.
Although fish are smaller in Henry's Lake, I still advise people to take at least a 6 wt. You can catch and land them on smaller, but I have had the Brookies more than once straighten a hook.
Strawberry is another one I recommend at least a 6 wt. The 30" and up being landed there these days dictates that.
But, I know a couple of guys that swear a 6 wt for Tiger Musky is all you need.
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[quote TylerKunz]As far as a newb using a 5wt, I wouldn't reccomend it. On account of they haven't fought a fish that big (I'm guessing) and may not know how to handle such a strong fish yet. So why risk breaking their brand new rod they got for Christmas when you can buy a cheap 8wt and be safe![/quote]
Hey if you're still talking about me I wish I received fly rods for Christmas, that way I don't have to pay for them. [ ] The biggest fish I've caught was a 24" tiger trout down south and he put up one hell of a fight on a float tube. As for buying an 8wt I feel no need to even buy a cheap one. I hardly go after fish that would require one so that's why I asked about a 5wt. Hell I could try it on my 2wt...yeah right. Maybe I'll look into buying a 6wt and call it good.
P.S. I bet my Barbie pole would kick some serious fishy arse! [ ]
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As for buying an 8wt I feel no need to even buy a cheap one. I hardly go after fish that would require one,
Aw, but you are young. I have probably used an 8 wt more since I discovered Carp. I have landed many on my 6 wt as well, just the 8 wt was a cheaper one (in fact free[ ]) so I do grab it. I feel much better about the surround trees and brush than I would swinging my Orvis or Winston[ ]
Don't forget, an 8 wt is great for thick grassy water (bass). For casting bigger flies. For casting into winds.
I think the complete set up is a 4, a 6 and an 8 weight. That covers anything I go after...well, maybe a 10 for the Sturgeon[ ] One can dream[angelic]
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