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This is off the DWR website for fish lake
"Corn is now legal to use as bait at Fish Lake. Remember, however, that chumming is still illegal and that corn cannot be used at other nearby waters. Corn is considered an effective bait for kokanee salmon, so try tipping a small jig or ice fly with a single kernel and fish it suspended over deep water."
I wondered if anyone had any experience using this method (im guessing noone has at fish lake since it only became legal this year) but maybe in other states where it has been legal? What kind of corn do you use is it the same idea as kokanee fishing in the summer (different scents on the corn?) and what kind of jigs and ice flied (I had previously thought jigging spoons were the way to go for winter kokanee)
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"Shoepeg" corn is what most folks use while trolling for Kokes. I assume that would be the best for ice fishing as well. I know some folks add various scents (not sure which types) to a little tupperware jar of the corn.
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I had my first experience using corn at FL for kokanee on Monday. Sorry, not what you or I hoped for.
I did not have any shoepeg corn so I used regular frozen corn. I saw a video on youtube about adding some patzke cure. The cure was red and I suspect has an odor attractant for the fish. The cure does make the corn (and the small salad shrimp) hold together better but is "really messy" - red staining stuff all over.
I fished out on edge of the opaque ice - didn't quite dare get on the clear new ice. I was over 56' of water. We were catching trout, rainbow, splake and tigers from 10 to 15 feet down (just under the ice) pretty fast with jigs tipped with chub meat. I decided to try tipping the jig with the cured corn.
The red corn caught rainbow, and tigers about as fast as the chub meat. No kokanee were harmed that day. I also did not catch any splake on the corn, but only two splake came to the chub meat that day anyway. Usually I find the splake deeper, but couldn't seem to find them deep that day either.
I did however have two red hands, red gloves, red pockets and red all over the ice around me. Wow that patzke cure is messy stuff.
I guess it will take us a while to know where and how to fish kokanee on the ice at FL. If you have any better luck I would like to hear.
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[quote brookie]
I did however have two red hands, red gloves, red pockets and red all over the ice around me. Wow that patzke cure is messy stuff. [/quote]
hmmmm....makes me question the legalization of corn!
I guess i just don't get it. I guess i could understand (maybe) using corn as bait. But why add a whole bunch of crap to it (scents, cures, dies, etc.). Don't we have plenty of flavors and colors of PowerBait already to accommodate that?
If all the colored, died, scented corn is the answer -- then it really isn't the corn after all. If it is the corn, then why color it, scent it, and die it???
inquiring minds want to know.
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I'm not sure I disagree. For me it was an experiment. My interest is in catching kokanee. Grasping at the possibilities. Probably won't use it again. Actually that my reason for posting. [reply][/reply]
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Ice-fished with corn for Kokes in Idaho for years.
I, personally outfished myself and my buddies consistently by jigging. When the schools came in, I could flip off the Kokes from my spoon and be back down catching another Koke while the other guy was unhooking(freezing his hands) and trying to put another kernel on his jig. Sometimes 5-6 fish to 1!
You have to be quick in getting back down before the school left.
All types of scents and colors(green garlic-flavored the most preferred). Each body of water or day had its own hot combo.
Some guys used just white shoe peg corn plain or scented. Other guys did just as well using just yellow corn plain or scented.
Supposedly, the white has more amino acids that closer resembles the make-up of plankton that the Kokes eat?
All kinds of hook combo's were used. Plain jigs, attractor spoon 10" above jig or other hook. Some guys take the treble off so it doesn't tangle and other guys leave it on because Kokes will hit the attractor. It does cause more problems than it's worth to me.
Tube jigs(pink, white, orange) and mostly 1/32, 1/16, and 1/8.
Personally never trolled with corn. Caught all the Kokes I needed to smoke and can in the winter. Friends trolled with corn and would do well.
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I've fished with corn many times in Idaho and Montana for kokes. I would tip a wedding ring spinner with white corn or shoe peg corn (no scent or dyes) and it made all the difference in the world compared to using maggots, worms, or plain lures. If it didn't have corn on it, you wouldn't get near as many hits. I don't know what it was about corn, but if it works then I'm all for it. Also caught the crap out of rainbows!
I tend to think that the folks that are against it might be worried about people chumming, but I wouldn't worry much about it. That's like thinking because guns are legal then gun crimes will increase! And if they are worried about "bait containers" being left as litter then ban worms and powerbait too because they are left on the shore by scums already.
Anyway, back on point.....it's wonderful Kokanee bait with a proven track record so use it if you are curious and I'm sure you'll like it.
Mike
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Does anybody know how big the kokanee are getting to be in FL?
I see they were stocked in April of 2015 as 2 1/2 inchers. Do you think they are pushing 15"-16" yet?
They sure add another reason to go to FL.
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Where can you buy shoepeg corn?
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Plain yellow cut corn from the can works great for me at the Gorge. Don't need the mess and stink of seats.
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I believe you can find a can of shoepeg corn in the higher end grocery stores - Smith's, Harmon's & etc.
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[quote gofish435]
I see they were stocked in April of 2015 as 2 1/2 inchers. Do you think they are pushing 15"-16" yet? [/quote]
I think that would be on the larger size.
I understand using corn as bait.
I don't understand covering the corn with dye or scent. That just sounds silly to me. Might as well just use powerbait. Do people use powerbait for kokanee? Don't they have corn-flavored powerbait?
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Dyes and scents are common fishing tools, Hope that helps?
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I remember 25 years ago when my family and I would fish at canyon ferry lake near Helena Montana for Kokanee. We would anchor the boat behind the dam and drift a glow hook with "Jolly Green giant white corn" down the current. I recall that this corn is what everyone recommended and without it, fishing was much slower. We had some times when we would catch one right after another. Might be interesting to try it.
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[quote Dog-lover]Dyes and scents are common fishing tools, Hope that helps?[/quote]
I get that.
I understand dying and scenting a glob of dough, like powerbait and zeke's cheese.
What I don't get is: corn.
What is the angler's attraction to corn?
Whatever the answer to the above is, why would you then use dye and scent to mask that attraction?
It doesn't make sense. Corn is corn. If it works well, then use it. If it needs scent to smell like something else, or color to look like something else, then why not just use something else? Why do we need a regulation change to allow a bait that people want to look and smell like another bait that is already legal to use?
It's like marinating a beef steak in chicken stock so that it tastes like chicken. Why not just cook some chicken??
anglers are a funny lot.
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Thanks for the reply.
As far as scents go, some people just like to overcomplicate fishing.[  ]
Who knows what effect that stuff has on water quality.
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[quote gofish435]Thanks for the reply.
As far as scents go, some people just like to overcomplicate fishing.[ ]
Who knows what effect that stuff has on water quality.[/quote]
[#0000FF] While you're at it, just think of what the fish do in that same water. Guarantee it doesn't improve water quality.[/#0000FF]
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PBH, I'm taking it that you don't troll for kokanee.
I have more pro-cure scent than you can shake a stick at. It does make a difference in catch rate. just like different colors work at each individual lake. koke's are not trout fishing.
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[quote BROWNBAGGN]PBH, I'm taking it that you don't troll for kokanee.
I have more pro-cure scent than you can shake a stick at. It does make a difference in catch rate. just like different colors work at each individual lake. koke's are not trout fishing.[/quote]
you are missing my point. I understand the use of scents. I know that different scents work at different times for different fish.
Again, I don't understand why we want to use corn then make it smell like it's something else. Why not just use that swedish pimple tipped with a salmon egg, then spray pro-cure scent so that the salmon egg smells like garlic? Salmon eggs are already legal. Why make corn legal so that you can spray it with garlic (salt, eel, blood worm, pinfish...)?
Why not tip with a small piece of colored foam sprayed with pro-cure? Why use corn vs. foam? What is it about corn that makes it the preferable media for spraying scent on it vs something else?
you are correct. I have never trolled for kokanee. If I do, I'll probably tip my lure with corn dyed pink with salmon roe scent sprayed on it. Much easier than using a salmon egg.
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Then why do you need corn? You've certainly smeared enough scent on whatever lure you're using to attract the kokes.
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