Pledge Update

[twoindyhicks]

*****WEPLEDGE.COM UPDATE*****

The federal court of appeals panel that ruled the Pledge of
Allegiance unconstitutional has affirmed its opinion and decided
the father who initiated the case may continue his suit despite
the fact that he lied about his daughter being offended by the
Pledge.

Michael Newdow's daughter and her mother are members of Calvary
Chapel in Laguna Creek, CA. His daughter nor her mother knew
about the suit prior to it being filed. The daughter's mother
has gone to court to get the girl's name removed from
Newdow's suit.

The court's ruling, if upheld, would make America an atheistic
state. Federal judge Alfred Goodwin, who along with Judge Stephen
Reinhardt made the ruling, had this to say: "When school
teachers lead a recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance according
to school district policy, they present a message by the state
endorsing not just religion generally, but a monotheistic
religion organized 'under God.' The pledge to a nation
'under God,' with its imprimatur of governmental sanction,
provides the message to Newdow's young daughter not only that
non-believers, or believers in non-Judeo-Christian religions, are
outsiders, but more specifically that her father's beliefs are
those of an outsider, and necessarily inferior to what she is
exposed to in the classroom."

Judge Goodwin's comments make clear that he and Judge
Reinhardt, who is married to the executive director of the
Southern California chapter of the ACLU, consider America an
atheistic country and they intend to officially make it so using
their power as federal judges. The only way to keep these two
judges from taking God out of our Pledge of Allegiance and
national motto is to strip them of their power to do so by
putting the Pledge and motto into our constitution.

Please help us secure signatures to the proposed constitutional
amendment by forwarding information to all your family and
friends. Thanks.

Donald E. Wildmon, Chairman
American Family Association, sponsor of WePledge.com

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[theangler]

Hello TwoIndyHicks,

Thank you again for the heads up on this! This is clearly a personal crue and a blantant abuse of power (certainly not the vioce of the people). They have a great cuase and a hefty goal, they need support, get to the site and sign the petition here's todays status:

[font "'Times New Roman',Times,serif"][size 3][#ff0000]Our Goal:[/#ff0000] 10,000,000 Signatures[/size][/font] [font "'Times New Roman',Times,serif"][size 3][#000066]Current Signers:[/#000066] 395,795[/size][/font] [font "'Times New Roman',Times,serif"][size 2]Refresh your browser to watch number of current signers grow.
In addition to the above, [size 2]492,746[/size] have signed paper petitions as of December 12.[/size][/font]

[url "http://www.wepledge.com/"]http://www.wepledge.com/[/url]
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[Xman]

let me understand this correctly. this is a petition to amend the original constitution to allow the word god into our pledge of allegiance? please i hope people dont support this. the constitution was written in its original form for a reason. by amending it we have taken away most of our basic rights as is. the idea of live and let live in our country is shot and really has never been practiced. i feel it is not patriotic to pursue and push ones own beliefs on another. if your beliefs come to a point to where they make another believe or participate in it then that is not following the constitution. prayer doesnt belong in schools or the government. all religions should be welcome not just a certain kind. thatis what made america great. what will happen if this is passed? think about it
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[davetclown]

[center][size 2]I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America [/size][/center] [center][size 2]And to the republic for which it stands[/size][/center] [center][size 2]One nation, under god, indivisible, [/size][/center] [center][size 2]With liberty and justice for all…[/size][/center] [center][size 2][/size][/center] [left][size 2]The act of removing this recital from the morning ritual of each parochial school, is not done so by not those who are of no religion, but more of those who retaliate against this country as a unified people. (Antidisestablishmentarianism movement)[/size][/left] [left][font "Tahoma"][size 3]If any one had ever bothered to look up the word god in a dictionary they would have seen that there are more than one meaning. And varies from one dictionary to the next not to mention from publication to republication.[/size][/font][/left]





[font "Tahoma"][size 3]In the old English dictionary God not only stands for a supreme being but also is the word that stands for “all that is good”. This was the case when this verse was composed. [/size][/font]

[font "Tahoma"][size 3]The English language as changed in its meanings so drastically since this country was formed. Then the power of words was a work of art, today a word does not stand a chance in standing for its own meaning. Hence lawyers (word specialist) every one has his or her own meaning for what a word is supposed to mean rather than taking the word for its meaning from the individual who speaks it. (Twisting meanings) [/size][/font]

[font "Tahoma"][size 3]Why any one would want to destroy the only time during the day when our children stand together in unity and stop bickering against each other is beyond my understanding.[/size][/font]

[font "Tahoma"][size 3]Imagine taking the words [/size][/font]

[font "Tahoma"][size 3]Cool your jets...[/size][/font]

[font "Tahoma"][size 3]Or [/size][/font]

[font "Tahoma"][size 3]Take a chill pill...[/size][/font]

[font "Tahoma"][size 3]To the people of 100 years ago let alone 200 years ago. What would you conceive their meaning of the term would stand for?[/size][/font]

[font "Tahoma"][size 3]Cool your jets? The word jet did not even exist then. [/size][/font]

[font "Tahoma"][size 3]Take a chill pill, I would guess that it would have meant to some one of that time possibly take a pill for a common cold. [/size][/font]

[font "Tahoma"][size 3]go back to a 150 years the word pill did not exist because medications was taken in the form of powders and potions. compressing meds in to pill form came with the industrial age that was just begining at that time.[/size][/font]

[size 3]Of course we understand the meaning today is “to calm down, relax, or be at ease”[/size]

[size 3]All to often people attack things they dont know or have the inteligance to [/size][font "Tahoma"][size 4]coordinate a grasping of an understanding as what has or has not been said. (hence the politition - a twister of words, one who tends to sway people to one side or the other by using the same words and giving them different meanings to fit the audiance) [/size][/font]

[font "Tahoma"][size 4]Every nation in the world speeks of progress, but when it comes to it acceptance of one another many are still living in the stone ages and refuses to progress to a perpetual of understanding and respect for one another. wheather it has to do with the way some one lives or what they beleive even to the food they eat.[/size][/font]



[font "Tahoma"][size 4]In closing I ask you which is more important; [/size][/font]

[font "Tahoma"][size 4]the removeing of a word with different meanings to different people from a traditional poem.[/size][/font]

[font "Tahoma"][size 4]or[/size][/font]

[font "Tahoma"][size 4]Teaching our children to stand together in unity if only for 30 seconds every morning.[/size][/font]
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[Xman]

i fully agree with you dave. and that is very well put. i too agree exactly with the idea of a concept instead of a word game. perhaps then a reasonable route of progress would be a education process to teach the meaning of the pledge and the words of originality. instead of pursueing a costly approach to either remove or include a word. i spoke only from a point of view of equality. for example flag burners of our country have the right to do so. even though i do not agree with it at all. accepting other peoples differences regardless of the drastic differences in lifestlye and opinions. thats what made, and still does to a certain extent, america great. im not a big fan of censorship and taking away of freedom of speech. included here is the freedom to not speak certain things. all i look at is perhaps a agnostic family and their children, for instance, and what perception they may have. being american, they would not be included in this movement.

pointed out , and i didnt know, is the meanings of certain words for example the meaning of good en lieu of god pertaining to religion. that to me is acceptable and i would feel anyone who pledged under that circumstance would feel comfortable with that. except perhaps a satanist participant. its a interesting arguement from either side. i just had to see so many things to be changed on behalf of a certain groups point of view. in all im sure it will turn out for the best as things usually do for a optimistic person.
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[Xman]

one thing i was going to add is the original pledge of allegiance did not include under god. but was changed. and is now generally accepted. i dont believe the pledge should be entirely removed since it encompasses our inheritant american freedoms that should be embraced.
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[davetclown]

[center][/center][center]I am a impostor sorry guys keep looking...[/center] [center] [/center]

You have a valid point that removal of materials is another attempt to ignore or even worse yet to not acknowledge that a certain types of persons live here beside us, we work with them, stand in line at the supermarket with them, sit beside them in theaters at sports games and even fight beside them in service.

The blatain acts of denial of the existance of our fellow man are the same as denying that toxic waist exist. Denial of both will lead to devastations, at best a break down in our social and ecological environments. In which case we cannot survive either way if the issues are not addressed.

I fully agree with you in that our educational system doses not cover sociology in the early phases of our education and it should be there. For that is the only chance our society has of surviving as a hole or in part. All religions and non-religions should be taught in our elementary schools so that our children will at least have an understanding of one another in hope of avoiding the holocaust we have lived in through past 75 years.

I fully understand that when our children show up to the kindergarten they should possess the knowledge of the alphabet, count to at least 10 and can tie their own shoelaces. If they do not have this knowledge our teachers who only want to deal with those students who already know what it is that the teacher is supposed to teach them stigmatize our kids. They will be placed in the slow learner category were they will not get the attention they need. But is it our job as parents to teach other beliefs to our children when we hardly know our own?

Shamefully our kids still graduate with an average reading level of only the third grade. With parents having only the comprehensions of a third grader with the basic knowledge third grade English, there is no wonder why this has come forth.

Our technical and population advances have acceded our ability to advance as a society

Our government’s sees poverty and unemployment as a slow or week economy and not for what it is. "Over population" our technical advances have released the need for the numbers of workers needed to sustain a steady existence yet we are allowed to continue to over populate to fatten only our richest’ pockets. So we build a surplus of stock and merchandise, thus every few years we need to shut/slow down the factory process to use up the materials accumulated.

Our government then calls it a recession when in fact it is a depleting process to remove/use up overstock. With 1/3rd of our working population not working at any given time (even during booming times) it is a wonder why or how merchandize shows up on the shelves. and that my friend is my evidence that we build up to a certain point then let it drop back down.

It is truly shameful how our governments and major corporations deceive us in to believing that we (quote Ronald Reagan) are starving to death here in the U.S. because we cant sell 10,000 cars in Japan in a year (end quote). If in the city of Detroit sold only 10,000 cars in a week per each of its counties of the metro area the big three would be screaming bloody murder.

That 1/3 rd of the population I spoke of will never ever own a new car, never own a house let alone a respectable apartment. If you haven’t guessed it yet, that same 1/3 of the united states population live in poverty with a good portion of that fraction being homeless, yet we have the gall to spend millions of dollars every year because we don’t like a word in our national pledge or like the lyrics of our anthem let alone like the color of our flag.

I find it brain numbing that there are those to wealthy to do who are analytically minded and cant see past the brown covering on their own noses to see the waist that they are personally causing. That money placed in the correct place can house and feed many of those homeless.

So what it comes down to is are we going to take the time to grow as a society - a civilization - in our humanity, not just here as a U.S. resident but a world citizen? [left] [/left]
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[lonehunter]

this one had me going !
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