jordenelle update

[rahmaster]

FISHED X LAKE LAST 2 DAYS,FISHED THE POINT TOWARDS THE DAM. ICE IS A SLUSHY 2 FEET THICK.ACCESS ON WAS GOOD -GETTING OFF WAS SOMEWHAT SLUSHY. SLOW FISHING ,BUT DID MANAGE TO CATCH A FEW HOGS.2CUTTHROAT,3 RAINBOW,AND SOME HOG PERCH. BEAUTIFUL DAYS,SHIRT SLEAVE WEATHER.HERE IS A FEW PICTURES.

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[toyguy]

Boy, I hope this doesn't start trouble. I noticed those fish have been cleaned. I don't ice fish, so I don't know how things work.

Do you get to the clean the fish right at your hole and dump the innards back down the hole?

It would seem to me that would be a good recycling of resources. Very efficient. Yes/no?

Kind of a "return it from where it came whence" thing.
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[fsh4fun05]

That's actually a pretty good question, I don't know if that's what they did so I'm not implying that they did (avoiding trouble myself). I can't imagine the fish cleaning station would be up and running so I guess you would have to A. throw the guts in the bushes B. throw them down the hole C. throw them in the garbage can D. take them home and dispose of the innards. I would choose B. but I don't know what the f&g would think about that, I don't see a problem but I only ice fish a couple times a year and when I do keep fish, mostly big largemouth, I take pictures of the dead carcass at home and lie about their weight and then fillet them.
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[mactuna]

Nice report, some porky perch.
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[TubeDude]

[cool][#0000ff]Some of the pictures are obviously taken back at the ramp...with the high snow piles. Even though the fish cleaning station is not open, you can use your own board to clean fish and dump the innards in a trash can. I do that myself.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]Even if they did dump the guts down a hole, there is no law against it on Jordanelle. A lot of boaters and swimmers dump "things" far more objectionable.[/#0000ff]
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[TubeDude]

[cool][#0000ff]Good report. I fish that area a lot during the summer but have never hit it through the ice. Nice fish.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]I had to edit your pictures. Please don't post the large file pics right out of your camera. Under 300 KB in file size please.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]You might also make your posts in upper and lower case. Writing in all caps is a no no for emails and forum posting.[/#0000ff]
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[toyguy]

[size 2]Boy, here I was tappin away a (nice) response, and you go and be a nice guy and edit your original. Fortunately, your nice gesture doesn't cause a major rewrite.[laugh] My reply was gonna primarily be about "what to do?" here, anyway, not a rant.

As an aside, just when I thought that after reading four gazillion posts, and thinking that everything that could possibly be covered already had been, here was new ground.

In the spirit of education:

Is it OK to throw fish innards back into the deep part of any body water where they will become invisible? The invisible part is obviously because of the unsightliness of shoreline fish parts. Nobody wants that.

Assuming that most guys practice C & R, it would seem to me that

1. This is not practiced frequently, and therefore, has no negative environmental impact from a "too much of a good thing" perspective, and
2. this makes the ultimate sense from a resource-recycling standpoint: 1. Marine animal food, and 2. lake-bed fertilizer.

There's an interesting distinction to be made here between hard and soft water however; there's always gonna be unsightliness (blood) with hard water, so it may kill that practice completely. Or do blood stains dilute and fade quickly?

But this actually has application for me, as softwater season approaches. I have wondered before, that instead of using a cleaning station, why not clean 'em on board because of 2. above? And since I've never brought home a fish, what is someone supposed to do with guts at a cleaning station?

Thx to you Pat (anyway), or anyone else who takes the time to respond.

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[TubeDude]

[cool][#0000ff]It is generally preferred (from an esthetics standpoint) that anglers use the cleaning stations (when open). Most of them have high powered disposal grinders to do away with the remnants and to put them into either a holding tank or the sewer system. If the grinders are not working (not uncommon) then bag the remains and put them in a garbage can. There are usually covered cans with plastic liners next to a cleaning station.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]Not recommended to leave dead fish or fish parts on the ice. Could be ticketed for wasting resources if the fish are game fish. Littering if not. However, on many lakes the cleanup crew (crows, gulls, eagles, hawks and coyotes) takes care of a lot of the fish leavins. In fact sometimes they do not even wait for you to abandon stuff, but raid your catch while you are inside your tent or far enough away that they can stage a hit and run raid. It's kinda cool sometimes to sacrifice a trout to an eagle. Not so cool if it's a big trout and a mangy coyote. Beep Beep.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]Whether or not it is legal to deposit fish offal back into the lake depends on individual lake regulations. Lakes which serve as municipal water supplies often have restrictions about cleaning fish or leaving trash in or around the lakes. I know of lakes and situations where anglers were ticketed for "gutting and gilling" trout out on the water and then putting the fish in a cooler...tossing the "remnants" in the lake while being observed through binoculars by rangers.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]Ecologically, putting fish parts back in the lake is not bad. Most lakes (not Jordanelle) have crawdads in the ecosystem and "leftovers" are not left intact very long. Those mudbugs swarm over dead fish or fish parts and they disappear back into the food chain quickly. Many fish species will also chew on fresh dead fish bits. Yum.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]If you plan to "feed the 'dads", it is better to scatter the fish cleanings in shallower water. That's where most of them hang out, especially in warmer weather. During the winter they may migrate out to much deeper water too. And, in shallower water the gulls might even get to the good stuff before the crawdads eat it all. Our state birds are aggressive and efficient scavengers. "Dump chickens"[/#0000ff]
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[trowtslayr]

offal = 1. the parts of a butchered animal that are considered inedible by human beings; carrion.
2. the parts of a butchered animal removed in dressing; viscera.
3. refuse; rubbish; garbage.

i had to look that one up, TD. thanks for the forced education []

well i'm heading to FG tomorrow and we were told to fillet the burbs as soon as possible (not sure why) but if we were to do that out on the ice, (i just found my electric fillet knife that hooks up to a battery) could i or would i even want to dump the OFFAL back into the lake? I'm not lazy and sure could bag up my OFFAL and put it in the trash too. Just trying to find out which way would be beneficial to the environment.

PS. word of the day OFFAL [cool]
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[toyguy]

Very interesting. Thx for the detailed response. [cool]

I slammed for time today, so I'm gonna pursue Strawberry, specifically, later. Particularly since you wrote

I know of lakes and situations where anglers were ticketed for "gutting and gilling" trout out on the water and then putting the fish in a cooler...tossing the "remnants" in the lake while being observed through binoculars by rangers.

Sadly, offsetting increased gas costs may come into play this season, so I may be taking home a fish or two this year.

I had never considered the whole Gorge/Burbot hardwater thing before. Looks like those guys are forced to.

Thx again.
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[TubeDude]

[cool][#0000ff]Note: A homonym for OFFAL is AWFUL. (Spelled differently but sounds the same).[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]In cold weather there should be no reason for having to hasten the cleaning process. However, most fish are better if they are degutted or bled out as soon as possible.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]If you do a quick slab and skin on the burbs, go ahead and drop the OFFAL back down the hole. Da Gorge is overrun with crawdads and they would love that stuff. For a brief moment in time it will allow them to turn the tables and dine on burbot...until some big ol burbie comes along to munch them. As you probably know, crawdads are high on the preferred food list for burbot in FG.[/#0000ff]
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[trowtslayr]

I hope this education is gonna break me. [] But I do prefer online schooling, lol. ok two words for the day is plenty TD, I dont want my brain to overload. [sly]

well i think i will wait til we are done fishin to dispose of the offal, cause i would hate the fish to be sidetracked by the offal, and not come check out my lure which will be glowing brightly for all burbs too see. lol I have my own jar of crawdads i'm gonna try too, that is legal out there right? Thought i better ask since i havent memorized the regs. To tell ya the truth though i am really creeped out by the look of crawdads and will probably have to ask my nephew to put em on the hook. [blush] at least until i get some courage (beer) in me! lol
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[TubeDude]

[cool][#0000ff]Crawdads are DEFINITELY legal. In fact, you can use live ones if you catch them in the same lake you are using them for bait. You just can't transport live ones.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]I am really surprised that hardcore BURBOTITES have not set crawdad traps a ways away from where they are fishing, in an effort to get some good live bait. At the very least you can put a peeled tail from a freshly caught dad on your jigs and will probably be surprised at the welcoming committee. And, while it is illegal to CHUM, who can say whether it would be a bad thing to smash up the rest of the unused 'dads and dispose of them down the hole? Now, I am not advocating doing anything illegal. [/#0000ff]
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[trowtslayr]

i'm safe from the giant can of beer, it only affects men that are wimps not women. [] We are allowed to an extent. That is why i never go anywhere without my bestest fishin buddy, he aint afraid of no can of beer and my nephew heck he would welcome it and probably wouldnt share.

ok i'm feeling like i hijacked this post, sorry everyone, i'm shutting up now and so is TD (hint hint) lol
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[TubeDude]

[cool][#0000ff]Sorry Lisa...forgot about the coconuts.[/#0000ff]
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