Weber?

[Miguel_Bait]

We haven't fished the Weber for years and were wondering what are some good spots this time of year and what are the fish taking? What's better, dry or wet flies, or both? Any tips would be more than helpful and much appreciated.
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[richyd4u]

Coalville and Wanship. Try a San Juan or Neon Nightmare for your attractor fly, and drop either a #20 BH Pheasant tail, #20 BH brassie, or #20 BH Zebra midge. Also an olive #18 BH hares ear can work. Good luck!

-Rich
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[sinergy]

If you want to fish should to shoulder the coalville\wanship area is your place its been getting allot of press and allot of people. Best to hit on weekday or for a better spot try the turn off before the devil slide area less crowded and in my opinion better fishing.

As mention earlier neon nightmare good attractor pattern, dont forget scuds\sows and caddis emerges.
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[Miguel_Bait]

Thanks Rich for the reply. Hope this doesn't sound like a dumb question, but I'm also somewhat new to fly fishing so I don't have a broad knowledge of all the flies and the lingo. The flies you described to me, are these meant to be dry flies or wet flies? Thanks again for your help.
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[philbert]

Neon nightmare is a wet fly. It's just a bright colored san juan worm. I would say these are good for deep holes and riffles, although I have never tried one. I have caught some nice browns and bows this year using the classic weightless bright red san juan up top and a bigger copper john below. I do pretty good using a bright attractor up top (glowing green caddis or anything with a flashback) and a hare's ear or copper john about 18 inches below. We have also been using dries (stimulators and humpies) and dropping a copper john below about 18 inches and nailing em.

Good Luck
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[richyd4u]

[quote Miguel_Bait]Thanks Rich for the reply. Hope this doesn't sound like a dumb question, but I'm also somewhat new to fly fishing so I don't have a broad knowledge of all the flies and the lingo. The flies you described to me, are these meant to be dry flies or wet flies? Thanks again for your help.[/quote]

The flies I mentioned are considered nymphs, which are fished sub-surface. The best manner to rig the flies is to attach first the attractor flie (neon nightmare, san juan, etc.) first. Then, to the bend of that fly, tie on 10" of tippet and then your go-to fly (bh phaesant tail, bh hares ear, bh copper john, scuds, etc.). Your second fly will be the fly the fish grab the most. Although, many fish will hit your attractor fly. Add a split shot above your first fly, about 6" up, vary the size according to the water flow and depth. More depth = larger split/longer fly distance from strike indicator. Less depth = smaller split/shorter fly distance from strike indicator. You'll get the hang of it. Good luck!!!

-Rich
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[Miguel_Bait]

Rich,

Again, thanks for all the helpful tips. One more question, hopefully my last and then I'll get a chance to hit the water and try this out. Is the strike indicator the attractor fly or do you use one of them big white fussy indicators that float on top of the water up higher on the line? If the strike indicator is the attractor fly, can you actually see the attractor fly to see when you have a hit since it is also submerged? Thanks Again!
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[flygoddess]

[quote richyd4u][quote Miguel_Bait]Thanks Rich for the reply. Hope this doesn't sound like a dumb question, but I'm also somewhat new to fly fishing so I don't have a broad knowledge of all the flies and the lingo. The flies you described to me, are these meant to be dry flies or wet flies? Thanks again for your help.[/quote]

The flies I mentioned are considered nymphs, which are fished sub-surface. The best manner to rig the flies is to attach first the attractor flie (neon nightmare, san juan, etc.) first. Then, to the bend of that fly, tie on 10" of tippet and then your go-to fly (bh phaesant tail, bh hares ear, bh copper john, scuds, etc.). Your second fly will be the fly the fish grab the most. Although, many fish will hit your attractor fly. Add a split shot above your first fly, about 6" up, vary the size according to the water flow and depth. More depth = larger split/longer fly distance from strike indicator. Less depth = smaller split/shorter fly distance from strike indicator. You'll get the hang of it. Good luck!!!

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Are these SUB-SURFACE or bottom. To me a sub surface would be just that, a few inches below the surface like an emerger.
And you say BIGGER split shot - couldn't you use one size and just add more. like maybe an inch apart?
I have HONESTLY never fished the Weber except ONCE up by Rockport inlet and Chicken Inn. Did great on a big old Chartreuse Platt River special.
Rich, I got to go fish with you dude. Sounds like you know the Weber.
FG
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[richyd4u]

Are these SUB-SURFACE or bottom. To me a sub surface would be just that, a few inches below the surface like an emerger.
And you say BIGGER split shot - couldn't you use one size and just add more. like maybe an inch apart?
I have HONESTLY never fished the Weber except ONCE up by Rockport inlet and Chicken Inn. Did great on a big old Chartreuse Platt River special.
Rich, I got to go fish with you dude. Sounds like you know the Weber.
FG[/quote]

Oh, FG, what would I do without you! [] Just trying to simplify information for Miguel. Technically, sub-surface would be anything "below" the surface. This can range from a few inches to the river bottom. Once I explained the necessity of split shot, one would gather what area of the water column I was discussing. Hard to keep your flies in the upper water column with split shot on your line. [] A better tactic for emerger patterns is an stimulator dry with a weightless dropper. IMO. As far as numbers of split shot needed, that's like saying, "couldn't you just have a cheese queilla instead of a queilla with cheese?" [laugh] Use whatever it takes to get you down, be it 5 #8 splits or 1 AB split, same thing. Although, I prefer the non-intrusive look of one split compared to a line of multiple splits (I think the fish do too). Also, when applying multiple splits, isn't it better to apply the splits on a continuous line rather than spacing them out an inch apart. Less intrusive I believe. IMO

FG, whenever you want to go. I've been fishing the Weber for over twenty years. One of my favorite places.

-Rich
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[flygoddess]

I watched a program once, where the angler put several BB splits up the line 2" apart. It had a great effect and spread the weight out so was easier to cast...so he said.
To be honest, the only time I use split shot is deep nymphing.
Rivers I prefer sinking line. MUCH easier to cast, easier on the rods and more uniformed sink.....plus no need to mend, which is not to say I mind mending.

There are rare times I will use floating line to nymph, but generally it is the Dry/Dropper and the dropper will have some weight. When nymphing, I will use the BB, but I also carry a piece of lead core line in 2', 4' and 7' lengths that I will be adding to the floating line and skip the split. Like I said, much easier to cast.

Like I said SUB surface would be as it says SUB/ barely. And Depending on the water speed, you could need split to get sub surface
Now, nymphing I think bottom - and up, which is where I like my San Juan worms rolling around. Sub will be my soft hackles, wets, and emergers...LOL
Just jerking your chain, [laugh][laugh][laugh]
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[richyd4u]

I prefer the queilla with cheese! [laugh]

Goes to show ya, many fly fishermen (and fly fisherwomen[]) and many different tactics. Now, don't make me get all Webster on ya.....sub-
pref.
1. Below; under; beneath

lol! Now, if I was referring to fly fishing techniques, or talking with an experienced fly fisherman, I would have said nymphing. However, I was merely reffering to below, or "sub", water fishing to educate a new fly fisherman. New fly fishermen tend to think above the water (i.e. dries). I find when discussing terms with new fly fisherman, it is easier to use terms they can understand. When I mention "nymphing" to a new fly fisherman, I tend to get the "deer in headlights" look! [shocked]

I always use floating line for nymphing. Flurocarbon leader and tippet with a thingamabobber strike indicator. Getting excited just talking about it! [] And I always fish with just one split! [laugh] (sometimes two if I'm feeling frisky!) I fish BH flies with a tungsten BH for a hopper/dropper pattern. Rarely ever needed any additional weight.

I'm sure I'll hear back from ya about something! [laugh][laugh][laugh]
Take care.

-Rich
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[flygoddess]

I like tungsten beads...he, he, he.
I do the same with floating line. That is my winter set-up.
Warmer months, I like the Type II density compensated and the TYPE III Wet cell. Really is much easier to cast.
We got to go fishing...LOL
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[richyd4u]

FG-
That's my "all the time" set-up! [sly] Produces. As far as hooking up fishing, I'm all for it....just trying to talk my wife into it! [laugh] She always said that she thought I would have rathered married a fish......depends on what type of fish she is talking about I guess! I've caught some fish that I did find very attractive! [laugh] Peace.

-Rich
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[richyd4u]

Hopefully Miguel has gotten the info he needed. Good luck brother!

-Rich
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[Miguel_Bait]

Rich, you've been a tremendous help! It's nice to have a guy who knows his stuff and is willing to share it with newbies like myself. We hit the Weber on Monday and between the three of us we caught 11. But 10 of the 11 were white fish and only one Brown. What are some different tactics, if any to target the trout vs whitefish? Thanks again!
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[richyd4u]

[quote Miguel_Bait]Rich, you've been a tremendous help! It's nice to have a guy who knows his stuff and is willing to share it with newbies like myself. We hit the Weber on Monday and between the three of us we caught 11. But 10 of the 11 were white fish and only one Brown. What are some different tactics, if any to target the trout vs whitefish? Thanks again![/quote]

Glad to hear that you caught some fish, be it though that most of them were whities. Unfortunately, not much can be done to avoid them. They target most of the same food the trout do....unless you wanted to go bigger, like a streamer or bugger pattern. Just weed through them, and keep doing what you are doing. You will find days, like the one you had, were you seem to catch nothing but whities. Then other days, you seem to catch mostly trout. IMO. But, hey, a big old whitie puts up a pretty good fight none the less. Good job and keep at it! [cool] (I'm sure FG will have something to say about it...lol!)

-Rich
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[flygoddess]

Nope, you got it covered.[cool]
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[flippinstick44]

Try using a size 16 or 14 bead head prince nymph. I rarely have a white fish hit it. I would say 90% of the time i catch a fish on that fly on the weeb it's a trout. Just a thought.
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[richyd4u]

Going bigger does help exclude the whities. I would say for every size up you go, the whities will decrease. However, your numbers of trout will as well. You may catch all trout, but only a couple of them. Where as, if you match the hatch and size down, you will catch more whities, but more trout as well. JMO

-Rich
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