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Sorry, this isn't a "TUBE FORUM" question, but since a number of you ALSO fly-fish, I'm hoping that you might be able to help me...
I wanted to get a spinning rod. I've been looking for a single-piece Berkley Lightning Rod. Well, a Berkley Cherryrod came up, it was a 2-piece rod, but it was 10' (yes, TEN FEET) long! Hmmm (thought I)... that would make a good flipping-rod, something with which I could reach waaaay out there.
I get the rod and the BLANK says medium spinning, lure weight 1/8-3/4oz, and Trilene 4-12# line... but the reel is VERY close to the butt! Not like a fly-rod with the reel AT the butt... there is a very short piece of handle, and THEN the reel seat.
Additionally, and although it says "Spinning" on the blank, the first eye is "small"... at least small when compared to the size of the first eye of every OTHER spinning rod that I've seen! It's about the size of a baitcasting eye...
I had one friend tell me that I have a "Spey" rod... and it LOOKED like the one in the picture he sent to me. I then described it to another "fly-fisherman", and he said that most Spey rods are LONGER than 10'... and that what I have is a "Noodle" rod!
But when I Googled "noodle rods", they're long... but seem to be built more like a spinning rod... longer handles with the reel more in the middle AND have a bigger (i.e. spinning) first eye.
Do any of you have a clue as to what I (now) have? I now have fifteen post, so I think I can post a picture if that would help.
And, for what it's worth, it WON'T work for my intended purpose... so I'm also trying to sell it (if anyone is interested).
THANKS!!!
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IM not the expert that FG and others on this site are but it sounds like you may of gotten a hold of a switch rod.. but that is just a guess without seeing pictures..
if it is a switch rod you may want to take you post over to the fly fishing forum and see what they have to say..
and yes it would help a lot if you posted a picture of it... at least for me it would... :-)
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Based on your description it's not a fly rod. The blank clearly says spinning and the rating also points to that.
It is odd that it has small guides if it's a standard spinning rod but my guess is that it's an underspin rod. They're popular for cold weather panfishing. Sometimes the cork setup you have is described as a crappie rod IIRC.
BTW, an underspin reel is like a spincast closed face reel except it rides below the rod and instead of a button there's a lever. Great for fishing with gloves.
My best guess.
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[cool][#0000ff]I agree with the shig man. You probably have what they call a crappie rod. I call them "dipsticks". I own a couple and use them for dipping small jigs in and around structure not only for crappies but for sunfish and bass too. Even hook some nice kitties on them.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]Even though they classify these as spinning rods, they build them with small guides to reduce weight. The handle configuration is so that you can hold the rod in front of the reel to work it as intended and it will be better balanced.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]If there are crappie fans in your area you should be able to sell the rod okay. Or, keep it and use it for dip-sticking. It works great and is a lot of fun.[/#0000ff]
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[quote TubeDude][cool] [#0000ff]I agree with the shig man. You probably have what they call a crappie rod. I call them "dipsticks". [/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]Even though they classify these as spinning rods, they build them with small guides to reduce weight. The handle configuration is so that you can hold the rod in front of the reel to work it as intended and it will be better balanced.[/#0000ff] [/quote]
<lol> So I went from a Spey rod, to a "noodle rod", and now I've got a "switching" or "dipstick" rod?!?! I'm beginning to think that maybe I'M the dipstick! [  ]
Thanks to all for your help! I'll try to take some pictures tonight and post them for you to see, so you can confirm your guesses.
One last question then, does this type of rod necessitate the use of an underspin reel? I know what they are, but don't own one. My decision on whether to keep the rod for crappies and such, will depend on whether I have to ALSO get a rod-specific reel - and thus increasing my investment.
Thanks again for everyone's quick reply... you guys (and gals) are great!
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[cool] [#0000ff]If you are going to be using the rod to make casts of any distance, you will need a spinning reel...either regular or closed face. You can use either.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]If you are just "dip sticking" all you need is line storage. An old single action fly reel will work. So will one of the cheap little crappie reels especially made for these rods. $5.99 at Cabelas.[/#0000ff]
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is this what the [url "http://www.basspro.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/SceneSevenDisplay?catalogId=10001&storeId=10151&langId=-1&productId=19716&productPartNumber=99228&scene7Path=BassPro%2f120-007-12%3flayer%3dcomp%26wid%3d500%26hei%3d500%26fmt%3djpeg%26qlt%3d100%2c0%26op_sharpen%3d0%26resMode%3dtrilin%26op_usm%3d1.0%2c1.0%2c0.0%2c0%26iccEmbed%3d0&sourceName=images2%2f100-000%2f120-007-12.jpg&type=0&linkEnabled=false"]rod looks like[/url]... ??
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[quote macfly55]is this what the [url "http://www.basspro.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/SceneSevenDisplay?catalogId=10001&storeId=10151&langId=-1&productId=19716&productPartNumber=99228&scene7Path=BassPro%2f120-007-12%3flayer%3dcomp%26wid%3d500%26hei%3d500%26fmt%3djpeg%26qlt%3d100%2c0%26op_sharpen%3d0%26resMode%3dtrilin%26op_usm%3d1.0%2c1.0%2c0.0%2c0%26iccEmbed%3d0&sourceName=images2%2f100-000%2f120-007-12.jpg&type=0&linkEnabled=false"]rod looks like[/url]... ??
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NO! The rod in the link you provided has the handle "split" proportions very similar to a spinning rod. And is like most of the "noodling" rod pictures I've seen.
The one I have is MUCH closer to the butt... very similar to this: [url "http://images3.orvis.co.uk/orvis_assets/prodimg/SpeyRod.jpg"]http://images3.orvis.co.uk/orvis_assets/prodimg/SpeyRod.jpg[/url]
It (mine) LOOKS like (the link above) a Spey rod to me... but I was told - by "someone that should know" (but he only read my description) - that it was not a Spey rod; Spey rods would be even longer (14'-16') and heavier, and wouldn't say "spinning" on it.
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No, not all spey rods are longer, but I am going with the looks of a switch.
The fact it is an inexpensive rod could dictate the smaller guide, and some think that is okay on a FLY set-up.
Also the LACK of guides is telling me, it is going to NOT cast great distances.
Heres one, try google up MOOCHING, Cherrywood came up for me.
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Ill have to wait and see if you are able to post a picture... you definately have my curiosity going.. :-)
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Well... Spey to dipping to switch and now... mooching[/i]? Hahaha, gee, I never knew that there so MANY different fishing rod "applications"!!!
Don't know why I didn't think of this before, but I visited the BERKLEY site and found my rod:
[url "http://www.berkley-fishing.com/prod.php?k=266280&sk=266027&p=PURCWS1002M%20(1081417)#zoom-/dimg/cf6bbbe7b7982101de8b37c1711dbd51.jpg"][/url]http://www.berkley-fishing.com/prod.php?k=266280&sk=266027&p=PURCWS1002M%20(1081417)#zoom-/dimg/cf6bbbe7b7982101de8b37c1711dbd51.jpg[/url]
It's the 7th one down... and Berkley classifies is as a SPINNING " crappie[/i][/b]" rod. So - ultimately - I think TubeDude had it nailed.
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I think what was really throwing me was the "spinning" designation but only having a 'normal-sized' first eye/guide. I can now see how an underspin, spincast reel would work (best?) with this, as that type of reel doesn't have the big "wrapping" motion like the line pick-up of a spinning reel.
Now I just have to decide whether to keep the rod and buy a reel, or SELL the rod, and just use my spinning gear for crappies.
But, I think my dilemma is solved... thanks to all for your thoughts and suggestions! ![[Image: ayes.gif]](http://www.nefga.org/forum/images/smilies/ayes.gif) I'll still try to post pictures tonight for all to see...
Stay afloat!
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Now if you click on REELS at the bottom, you will see WHY the smaller guides.
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Id be willing to bet the he could use the crappie reel that td posted a picture of above... I bought a similar set up a year or so ago.. maybe two years now..lol...
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[quote flygoddess]Now if you click on REELS at the bottom, you will see WHY the smaller guides.[/quote]
Ms. Goddess... did you mean REELS on the Berkley site???? If so, yeah it shows spincast reels... but that's all Berkley makes...
But, I'm guessing you could hang an "underspin" UNDER the rod (as TubeDude suggested)... OR... perhaps a spincast on TOP... with either of those, bet you could cast a MILE with that 10' rod!! <bg>
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[quote ydoc][quote flygoddess]Now if you click on REELS at the bottom, you will see WHY the smaller guides.[/quote]
Ms. Goddess... did you mean REELS on the Berkley site???? If so, yeah it shows spincast reels... but that's all Berkley makes...
But, I'm guessing you could hang an "underspin" UNDER the rod (as TubeDude suggested)... OR... perhaps a spincast on TOP... with either of those, bet you could cast a MILE with that 10' rod!! <bg>[/quote]
Actually, Shig said it first[ ]
Those spin reels by Berkley, are they the trigger style? If so, aren't then meant to be on the bottom.
I can get a picture of how the one TD pictured works. It looks like a fly reel, but it is the fly line that gets the fly out....how does that thing work with MONO?
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My mistake... didn't scroll back up to the top. ![[Image: zbangingHead.gif]](http://www.nefga.org/forum/images/smilies/zbangingHead.gif)
The two that Berkley show are "regular" spincast and they go on top.
The trigger-type, aka "underspins" work like a spincast but - yes - those do hang UNDERNEATH (like a spinning reel).
The fly-reel type that TD mentioned... he also indicated that it was just for line storage. So - and I'm assuming here - those reels probably have a larger arbor... and although might be capable of holding a lot of line, ti wouldn't be necessary.
I could see how you could even put on 30-40 yards of 20-30# braid with a 15'-20', 4-10# mono leader. If just fishing for crappies... try to envision it as just a "fancy" cane pole. At least that's what I'm thinking...
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True enough, you own it, you can do all sorts of experimenting.
I have a 10' 5 weight....love that thing on rivers. Don't matter if it is wind, can stick it out and mend up a storm.
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[cool] [#0000ff]The only way you can get any distance casting those crappie rods is if you replace the tiny little lightweight guides with regular spinning guides. There are a lot of those little guides and they create a lot of line friction. But, when "dipsticking" you don't need any distance...just line storage.[/#0000ff]
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Isn't that what you caught out at Willard?
I used a reel like that a couple times many years ago. Diawa I think. It was the closest transition from a fly outfit.
On that 6 lb thing...that is what I use and that is what I caught the Carp on out at Utah Lake not to mention the Henry's Lake monsters.
I was also using a soft action rod.
Question for you TD....Now given you use the reel like in your last post (and the ones Berkley sales) wouldn't smaller guides be a benefit?
And out of curiosity, how many guides are there on this 10'er.
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