READ THIS NOW! PAY OR GET FINED?

[kokaine]

[url "http://gf.state.wy.us/.../AISPressRelease.pdf"]http://gf.state.wy.us/.../AISPressRelease.pdf[/url]


This goes for the gorge too.

Sorry, go to Wyoming Game and Fish main page and look for their mussle initiative. We all have to pay to use Wyoming waters.
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[Eternal_Angler]

It is a dead link. [pirate] If you have the original file. Upload it to the post.

Thanks.
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[MyKnights]

Here is the press release. It would appear it will cost us all $30 a pop (unless you're a Wyoming resident, in which case it's $10) annually for motorized boats wanting to fish anywhere in Wyoming, including the Gorge. Interesting. They come right out and say it's to fund their program. I love being taxed by other states also. It's awesome. [mad]
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[keystonecop]

So how long do you think it will take Utah to jump on board this gravy train? I love giving more money away!!

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[GUIDEMAN]

Here is the link http://gf.state.wy.us/admin/regulations/...lation.pdf
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[kokaine]

[font "Calibri"]I work in state government and the agency I work for began charging our 'clients' and extra $30 for their 'needs.' (just leave it at that). Once the state legislature found out the revenue source, they deducted the amount from our operating expense budget. I'm more worried about the true INVASIVE SPECIES; politicians and their taxes. [/font]

Maybe if this was a one time fee. You know.....I've been edumacated.....But it looks like it's going to be annual. [#0000bf]Deleted[/#0000bf]

My first jackass response was....then let's just charge Wyoming fisherman to fish Utah waters. That's ignorant. Something tells me Wyoming fishermen aren't happy with the tax too.
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[flygoddess]

Idaho did it last year. Boats over 10' must have a sticker, and anything with any kind of motor must have a sticker.
So basically Under 10' or a float tube with no motor can't transmit the Invasive species[crazy]
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[trfishin]

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[Wyobraz]

There are a couple of things you need to know.

First of all the reason that a Utah State Park pass does not apply at the Gorge is because the Flaming Gorge National Recreation Area is Federally owned and controlled. If you don't like the services that are offered at the Gorge such as boat ramps, cleaning stations etc, blame the United States Forest Service, not the states of Wyoming and Utah. The USFS are the ones who administer the services at the Flaming Gorge. Neither the Wyoming Game and Fish nor the State of Wyoming control the facilities or roads that lead into Flaming Gorge. The Federal Government is who charges you to use these facilities and the state of Wyoming and the Wyoming Game and Fish receive absolutely ZERO revenue from these fees.

The same holds true for almost every single place a person may fish that is west of the Continental Divide. All camping, roads and any other type of issue you have, all reside with the Federal Government and not the state of Wyoming or the Wyoming Game and Fish. A majority of fishing opportunities in Wyoming reside either on PRIVATE or FEDERALLY owned lands. Unlike Utah the state of Wyoming owns very little of the recreation areas we use, and the Wyoming Game and Fish receive very little revenue from those areas. In face the closest area to the Gorge would be Boysen or Keyhole, both of which are east of the Continental Divide.

Second, the Wyoming Game and Fish's budget is 100% derived from license sales and fees, and money from the Pittman Robertson Act. It is against Wyoming state law to give the Wyoming Game and Fish money from our general fund. They must completely operate within the monies they receive from the two sources. As of now the Wyoming Game and Fish is completely strapped for cash because of the Endangered Species act because of species like Wolves, Grizzly, and even Sage Grouse. They do not have extra money in their budget to take the preventive measures to prevent invasive species from entering Wyoming waters.

So they are left with the tough sell of coming up with funds to pay for prevention. They honestly were left with a couple of options. The first option was to raise the prices for everyone via our fishing licenses. They chose however to put the fees on those who are most likely to spread the species, water craft owners.

I don't like the increased fees more than anyone else. But I fully understand things in this world are not free. And since my tax dollars ARE NOT being used to improve and maintain our fisheries, it should be the ones who use them to maintain them.

You are however left with the freedom to not visit Wyoming and fish it's waters, then you will not have to pay the fee.
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[trfishin]

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[bbkyle35]

What I get from what I could stand to read from the previous novel: its ok to charge hunters for possibly transporting AIS, as long as boaters don't have to pay. Also the basic claim is that the G&F are a bunch of controlling money suckers. GROW UP! Without them and other federal agencies you would have no deer and elk to hunt, invasive species would be everywhere from everywhere, and your waters would probably be too polluted to even fish, if there were any fish left. If you think Wyoming is run so poorly, don't come here and don't fish here, it wouldn't bother me a bit. Better yet, get a job in the game and fish and see all your wild assumptions shot down, that would be a good wakeup call too.
As wyobraz said, licenses and fees are what support the G&F along with the Pittman funds. Not a dime comes from oil, gass ,or coal. If they don't have a fee for the AIS program, what is going to fund it?
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[Wyobraz]

That whole thing you wrote is completely incoherent.

Like i said, don't come to Wyoming if you don't like the fees. You are not entitled to the same fees as I am as a resident. No matter how many times you may come to my state to fish, you DO NOT put near the amount of money into our local economy or the Wyoming Game and Fish Department as residents do.

Your rant is the typical Non-Resident rant I hear every single time Wyoming raises license fees for Non-Residents. Sorry but I don't feel sorry for Non-Residents no matter what state they are from. Just as I don't feel sorry for myself every time I fish Pineview and the parking fee that makes Wyoming's invasive species sticker look cheap. Or every time I apply for Utah big game licenses I have to buy a Combo License that is NEVER used for $85 just so I can apply. I don't bitch about it, I pay it because I am not a Utah resident, and I have NO RIGHT to tell Utah how to handle THEIR business.

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[wiperhunter2]

Hey Braz, you might already know this but [url "http://www.bigfishtackle.com/cgi-bin/community/community.cgi?do=user_page;pg=user_profile_view.html;username=trfishin"]trfishin[/url] is from your state. I do agree with you, those of us that are not from Wy should not be entitled to the lower fees that residents enjoy. With the lower sale taxes, it is still a lot cheaper that buying stuff here in Ut. when we come up there on our way to the Gorge or elsewhere in your great state. It sure is nice not to pay all the taxes we pay here.
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[PACKFAN]

I guess you're saying then that your state wildlife program can get along on the money that is made from resident hunting and fishing licenses and doesn't need the money that is generated from non-residents enjoying the hunting and fishing there,that's funny. The wife and I hunted elk in YOUR state last year with an outfitter and he said they have very little problem with non-resident hunters, the big problems come from the locals that have a hard time understanding what no tresspassing or no hunting signs mean. I like hunting in WY. and will continue to do so, I know there are plenty of people from WY. that apply for deer and elk tags in Utah every year hoping to draw one of the coveted tags, more power to them and if they draw I hope they have a good time and kill a good animal. If I have to pay a fee to fish your waters with my boat this year so be it, nothing to get your knickers in a twist about. [:p]
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[PACKFAN]

I think that's funny that he doesn't know who trfishn is, they only live a few miles apart.[]
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[Wyobraz]

He needs to educate himself on how the state government works with Wyoming Game and Fish Department as well as how the Wyoming Game and Fish Department works with the Federal agencies regarding our hunting and fishing in this state.

I don't mind people bitchin and complaining, but at least educate yourself on the situations you are bitchin about.
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[bassrods]

Well all I can say is....

If you want to play you must PAY.....
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[albinotrout]

The feds do offer a yearly pass good for ANY fed land that has a fee. That would be USFS, NPS, and BLM. Also good for half off camping fees.
[url "http://www.nps.gov/fees_passes.htm"]http://www.nps.gov/fees_passes.htm[/url]
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[Wyobraz]

You know it kills me. We have guys driving $50K trucks, pulling $30K boats, loaded with $300 rods, $100 reals, thousands of dollars of tackle, and what do they complain about?

The dang price of the fishing license or the permit that allows them to fish the waters they want to fish. Blows my mind.
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[Kent]

Reminds me of the first time I went to prepare the income tax returns for an elderly client. I discovered (based upon his income) that he was obviously a millionaire and he couldn't stop complaining about the high taxes that we was being assessed on his two vehicles and that as a result he was going to move from Utah. I was shocked when I saw that the combined amount that he was paying in taxes for two vehicles only totalled $153! Wonder what less-expensive state he found to move to?
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