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Understanding the Code
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I recently went on a fishing trip to Lke Tahoe. We were fishing with a local guide for Lake Trout and I learned some new things that I thought may work on some of our local reservoirs like Strawberry for Cutthrouts and at Flaming Gorge. One of the things I learned was how to rig minnows as bait. We were using fresh minnows caught that morning. I began to wonder if this is allowable in Utah so I looked in our trusty guidebook and found the following:

Bait
Utah Admin. Rule R657-13-12
Several rules pertain to the use of bait in Utah:
• Use or possession of corn, hominy or live baitfish while fishing is unlawful.
• Use or possession of tiger salamanders (live or dead) while fishing is unlawful.
• Use or possession of any bait while fishing on waters designated artificial fly and lure only is unlawful.
• Use or possession of artificial baits which are commercially imbedded or covered with fish or fish parts while fishing is unlawful.
• Use or possession of bait in the form of fresh or frozen fish or fish parts while fishing is unlawful, except as provided below:
• Dead Bonneville cisco may be used as bait only in Bear Lake.
• Dead yellow perch may be used as bait only in Deer Creek, Echo, Fish Lake, Gunnison, Hyrum, Johnson, Jordanelle, Mantua, Mill Meadow, Newton, Pineview, Rockport, Starva­tion, Utah Lake, Willard Bay and Yuba reservoirs. • Dead white bass may be used as bait only in Utah Lake and the Jordan River.
• Dead shad from Lake Powell may be used as bait only in Lake Powell. It is illegal to remove dead shad from the Glen Canyon National Recreation Area.
• Dead, fresh or frozen salt water spe­cies including sardines and anchovies may be used as bait in any water where bait is permitted.
• Dead mountain sucker, white sucker, Utah sucker, redside shiner, speckled dace, mottled sculpin, fat head minnow, Utah chub and common carp may be used as bait in any water where bait is permitted.
• The eggs of any species of fish caught in Utah, except prohibited fish, may be used in any water where bait is permitted.
• Use of live crayfish for bait is legal only on the water where the crayfish is captured. It is unlawful to transport live crayfish away from the water where they were captured.
• Commercially prepared and chemically treated baitfish or their parts may be used as bait in any water where bait is permitted.
• Manufactured, human-made items that may not be digestible—including items that have been chemically treated with food stuffs, chemical fish attractants or feeding stimulants—may not be used on waters where bait is prohibited.
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I have noticed many posts in the past about using minnows as bait in Utah as long as they are dead. This is true if they are commercially prepared, but as I understand it, it is not legal to use fresh or frozed minnows you catch yourself except in specific waters as listed under the exception section. Have I missed something?

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• Dead mountain sucker, white sucker, Utah sucker, redside shiner, speckled dace, mottled sculpin, fat head minnow, Utah chub and common carp may be used as bait in any water where bait is permitted.

As long as these little guys are dead you can use them as bait. Commercially prepared or not. But they have to be dead before you put them in your bait bucket. If you get checked and one even twitches, you're toast. A good way to kill them quick is to take a bunch of salt with you, dissolve about a cup of salt in a half gallon or so of water. Trust me, the fish you throw in there will only kick around for about a minute. Another quick way is to throw them in a cup of vodka, them pull them out once they quit twitching, and the twitching starts as soon as they hit the alcohol.

• Use or possession of bait in the form of fresh or frozen fish or fish parts while fishing is unlawful, except as provided below:

The porvision above is for all fish, but more specifically for game fish. Although it would probably work well to take a strip off the belly area of a trout and use it as bait, that is strictly prohibited. Unless otherwise defined a gamefish cannot be used as bait.

I asked a fish and game officer at Rockport about this, as he was checking my gear two years ago. I had a bunch of perch eggs in a baggy, and he said they were fine to use, but was curious about how you attach them as bait. SMALL HOOKS [:p]
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why would you waste the vodka!!!!!?!!!

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Who says you don't drink the vodka after words?
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[quote pookiebar]Who says you don't drink the vodka after words?[/quote]

touche` well played sir!
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Hmmmm Sushi!
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Thank you for the clairification. Now I need to learn to identify minnows.
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Instead of having Vodka with caviar, you go straight to adding the caviar flavor the to Vodka.

Just chill and serve. Stay thirsty my friends!


This is a good discussion, because I've been unclear on this too. So if you find a sucker or carp minnow - you can or can't use it for bait? Or is it just parts off of biggins?
I know Tubedude has good success with his minnows and kitties at Willard.
They say perch are ok, but what - not bluegills, or sunfish (aka rock bass - right?!)
But if you go crawdadding - you can't take them home live for the boil? Hmmm. My chicken leg didn't turn up any at Mantua.

Anyone know if there are crawdads at Willard? I'd kinda expect them there.
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[cool][#0000ff]In simplest terms, any fish listed in the proclamation as a game fish or protected species is off limits as bait...including bluegills and other sunfish. Only in Utah. You can use them live in many states. Not in Utah.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]The differences are that you can use perch in most waters where they occur in the food chain...except for Bear Lake. And you can use white bass in Utah Lake but nowhere else.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]Most listed minnow species can be used in any water where it is legal to use any kind of bait...but only if the minnows are dead. Ditto for crawdads.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]You cannot leave any body of water with live crawdads. Best to remove the claws and tails and put them on ice before leaving...if you plan to eat them. If you are keeping them for bait, give them a salt water bath and/or put them in ice water...with lots of ice. But make sure they are dead before heading out. If you are stopped and checked a single live crawdad can ruin your whole day. Married ones too.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]There are crawdads in Willard. Used to be a lot more before the smallmouth got thicker. Still plenty during years when the water is high enough to keep the rock dikes flooded. I find quite a few inside cats, wipers and even walleyes from Willard. But probably not enough to make fishing for them very productive.[/#0000ff]
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