Question for DWR

[WaveWolf]

[#502800][size 2]Why couldn't they turn the Kamas hatchery into a tiger trout facility ......... Aren't the tigers more resistant to the whirling disease than the other species of trout?[/size][/#502800]
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[TheCarDoctor]

I'm not DWR, but it was my understanding that they weren't closing it for good. They were going to decontaminate and renovate/add equipment/filtration to better prevent outbreaks in the future.
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[cpierce]

I am not DWR either----- I believe their concern would be not only for the fish in the hatchery, but for the fisheries where they would be planted. No matter if the fish they are raising are affected or not, if the water is contaminated it would spread the infection to other waters.

I read that they are waiting to put in ultra violet filters to make sure their spring water is clean.
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[dowhatwecan]

Resistant isn't good enough. The DWR needs to lead by example. Whirling disease is potentially a nail in the coffin for our native trout in Utah. Some fish are resistant such as brown and some strains of rainbows that were brought here from Germany and exposed to the disease for many generations. We need to be diligent when it comes to caring for what we have here in Utah and that includes our native fish as well. Utah has taken a no tolerance stance on whirling disease many years ago and will continue to make every effort to reduce the spread of whirling disease.

Drew
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[PBH]

[quote dowhatwecan] Utah has taken a no tolerance stance on whirling disease many years ago and will continue to make every effort to reduce the spread of whirling disease.

Drew[/quote]


Utah needs to continue this stance with non-native invasive species -- no matter what kind of pressure they receive from sportsmen to change!

Bravo to the DWR for taking another proactive stance to a potential disaster in the making.



Besides -- Utah could benefit from less hatchery rainbow trout production!! Maybe it's time to spend more money on self-sustaining fisheries instead of spending it all stocking Strawberry Reservoir!
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[WaveWolf]

[#500000][size 2]OK ....... OK ....... I guess I'm just partial to tiger trout, as are most of the fisher people that I talk to every day ........ I have even met people from Idaho and Wyo. that fish in Utah for tiger trout.[/size][/#500000]
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[#500000][size 2]After I posted this, I read this piece on whirling disease, and there is some information that I didn't know, "particularly about the kitchen disposal units going into the wastewater treatment plants, and most places I fish, I see fish guts in the water.[/size][/#500000]
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[#500000][size 2]I have attached this for an interesting read.[/size][/#500000]
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[catmaster23]

Amen to that, there's one thing that Utah doesn't have a shortage of and that's dog food'rs.
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[brookieguy1]

[quote WaveWolf][#500000][size 2]OK ....... OK ....... I guess I'm just partial to tiger trout, as are most of the fisher people that I talk to every day ........ I have even met people from Idaho and Wyo. that fish in Utah for tiger trout.[/size][/#500000]
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[#500000][size 2]After I posted this, I read this piece on whirling disease, and there is some information that I didn't know, "particularly about the kitchen disposal units going into the wastewater treatment plants, and most places I fish, I see fish guts in the water.[/size][/#500000]
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[#500000][size 2]I have attached this for an interesting read.[/size][/#500000]
[#500000][size 2][/size][/#500000][/quote] There are getting to be TOO many tiger trout. At first they were a cool novelty, but are rapidly losing their appeal to many fishermen. They are fun to catch but just don't act like a normal trout. Not that any trout is super intelligent, but tiger trout seam to be by far the dumbest of all the trout species, even after they get large. Too much "inbeeding" messes with their bodies and their brains I guess!
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[Weekend_Warrior]

+1000 Montana has lead the way in stoking self sustaining fish. Why the heck waste so much dang money stocking hatchery pellet head, stupid, cant fight, Bows everywhere. Now if they would get some Kamloops and start stocking I would be happier... Too much money though. Or so they say.
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[Ryno]

Actually you'd be happy to hear that UDWR does have Kamloops in the hatchery system and they've been stocking them since 2009. Flaming Gorge Reservoir received almost 70K sub-catchable Kamloops last October-November. Some other waters in the northeastern region have been stocked with Kamloops as well. Hope it helps.
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[WaveWolf]

[#500000][size 2]I would like to know if there really is a Kamloops trout? ...... I had heard they were in a lake by Flaming Gorge dam ...... I asked some questions about the species, and I received the following answer, (see pic.) ....... OK Now ....... Can Kamloops really exist as Kamloops in Utah waters?[/size][/#500000]
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[Weekend_Warrior]

Thats very interesting.. Alls I know is that the ones I catch in South East Idaho are SOMETHING ELSE!!! I have never see one pull as hard, grow as large, or jump as high as those. And I was told those were Kamloops...
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[Weekend_Warrior]

So after further research it seems that it is more of an environmental thing that a species thing.. Cold waters that stay cold through spring then warm to produce lots of food in summer (ie the lakes I fish in Idaho) seem to have bigger bows.

I still dont think you could take hatchery hayspur or other strain rainbows and expect them to grow to 15 pounds but I agree that there may not be a "kamloops" strain of bows.

These are three very interesting articles.


Sorry but links to sites with forums are not allowed
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[fuzzyfisher]

does that go for carp as well???? or just invasive species other then carp???
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[WaveWolf]

[#500000][size 2]There is a different strain of Rainbow Trout called the Redband Rainbow Trout. They are in Klamath Lake in Oregon. I understand they are a larger strain, according to the tackle shop owners around Klamath Falls anyway.[/size][/#500000]
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[PBH]

rainbow trout strain.....kamloops.......ugh......



is strain truly the limiting factor in the size of our rainbow trout? If not, then it won't make any difference to use kamloops.


Put kamloops in Minersville Reservoir, and you'll end up with smaller, and fewer, rainbow trout in that reservoir.

In the majority of cases, it is NOT the strain of rainbow that is limiting the size of the fish. It is some other environmental factor (harvest, predation, diet, summer temps, etc.).



I truly get tired of the "if we only had kamloops..." comments.


There are a few myths that are so ingrained that they approach legend status. One of the best examples of this is the "Kamloops" trout.

http://www.aquahabitat.com/myths.html

(Scroll half way down the page, and read that section)



so, before anyone goes jumping on the "strain" bandwagon, you need to ask yourself: is it strain that is limiting the size of the current rainbow trout stock? Or is it something else?
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