Fly Question

[fish1on]

OK, got this fly from a friend and his request was to see if I can make a few for him? Well, I said sure....I will try my best.
For the most part it seems to be a thinned out wooly but maybe it is called something else??
Any suggestions for material and the actual name?
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[sinergy]

Looks like a wooly worm Orange Chenille and wrap with grizzy hackle
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[fish1on]

Wooly worm??? I have heard of that but never seen or tied one.

Cool, a new project to research on how to tie. The orange color is because it is waaaay used, my friend says it was more red. Is the grizzly hackle an issue to find?

Thanks for the info.
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[sinergy]

Grizz hackles are pretty common, Fish tech, Sportsmans or Cabelas should have them
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[fish1on]

cool thanks

I like the way the griz lays out on this fly looks thicker......
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[paparex]

Looks like a 3X or 4X length hook with orange, fl. orange or red antron (not fuzzy like chenille) body and brown hackle. Grizzly would be black and white.
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[flygoddess]

It looks similar to some salmon flies we were tying this year. Called a Grub



Body we used was either Thread (Danville or Sheer as they lay flat), or Uni stretch floss, or yarn.

I agree that the hackle on yours is FURNACE, but I do have Grizzly in brown, olive yellow, orange, etc.
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[grndfisher]

[url "http://www.danica.com/flytier/jlafevers/orange_asher.htm"]http://www.danica.com/flytier/jlafevers/orange_asher.htm[/url]

Here you go.
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[flygoddess]

And I thought I was original with that! I tie that in #18 for the Uinta's. They like Griffith Gnats and Orange so I put them together....Larger should be killer!!!!

However, that one the Hackle is Palmered.
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[paparex]

Grizzly does come in many colors, but the colors are added. Grizzly is a white feather with black barring. Then we dye them. The terminology to be used, so we can communicate the instructions for tying would be grizzly, or grizzly dyed ____ as in grizzly dyed red or grizzly dyed yellow. I have some that are grizzly dyed tangerine for a orange bead head wooly bugger (pumpkin head) Sorry, no picture but the instructions are:

Hook: 10-12, 3X-4X
Thread: Olive 6/0
Bead: Orange, I prefer glass craft beads with metal linings
Rib: Copper wire
Tail: Olive marabou
Body: Olive marabou wrapped from the tail OR peacock herl
Hackle: Grizzly dyed tangerine

This is modified from the original. You might try orange dubbing for the head or small orange chenille. For weight try a gold or brass colored bead, and a few wraps of lead or non-lead wire, omit the glass bead and add orange something. (Some would say it resembles an egg sucking leech when tied that way.) There are lots of possibilities for the body material as well.

Here is one tier's take on how to tie this productive fly on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0jbRAKY19E . Notice he dyed his "plain grizzly hackle" with sugarless Kool-AId.
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[grndfisher]

[url "http://www.utahonthefly.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20053&highlight=orange+asher"]http://www.utahonthefly.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20053&highlight=orange+asher[/url]


Curtis Fry has a video up on UTOF.
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[flygoddess]

Pretty much what I said, minus the wire cause I don't see any in the POST PICTURE.
One thing though, I wonder why Curtis wrapped the wire first, then the hackle? Wire or rib is suppose to make the hackle stronger and is usually on top,...isn't it?
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[sinergy]

Awahah Oh god thats too funny thanks for the write up on how to properly communicate grizzly hackle colors. Ill remember to say red or yellow Thank You your a wealth of info. []
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[grndfisher]

In the video he isn't using a wire just some flash.

I'm not the one to ask about fly tying technique or fly fishing for that matter. I'm new to the sport starting just last summer. I started tying my own this past January. I should be asking you questions.
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[michfishgod]

just to add i like the 37160 mustad hooks if river fishing make it in to a wiggle nymph. the orignal looks like poly polypro dubbing in neon colors and brown hackle. looks like a nymph style pattren to me that we tye on the manistee here in michigan. but a trout version mine is a steel head version.
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[flygoddess]

Thanks I didn't have the volume up, that makes a difference. On the Salmon fly it is the same. Body then tinsel, then hackle. More for looks I guess.

As far as hooks, I like straight eye or up eye for tying purposes.
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[fish1on]

Well folks, you all came thru with "fly"ing colors on responses.


I thank you all!

Went shopping today but material is kinda limited as my experience has always been.

I ended up with the following:

Sparkle yarn in light red, No sparkle in it realy, but the closest thing I could find local that was close to what I have to work with. I plan to pull a strain or maybe two from it.

Dai-Riki size #700 streamer hook

6/0 black thread (already have)

#2 dle dyed olive hackle (already have)

Will tye this up this weekend during the storms...might be close, who knows. I will have to get material online if it does not come out right.
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[jonesnforfish]

I tie my ashers with a variety of colors under the hackle. The best tip for making it really tough... Tie in the hackle at the rear, wrap the body then tie it in. Then before you wrap the hackle use hard as nail, or I like hard head better, and cover the body. Wrap the hackle and whip finish. No wire to mess up the hackle, and the fly will last all day. Having a rotary vise is a must when spinning the hackle up the sticky body, and you only have one shot.
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[cpierce]

Interesting technique! I am not very good at the one shot thing, but I can imaging that will make the hackle a lot stronger. I'm going to have to try that.
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[flygoddess]

Are you winding the hackle while body is still wet?
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