Carp LOVERS!

[CoyoteSpinner]

Pouring gas on a fire? weeeellll Coyotes are known for mischief aren't they?

[url "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aU_JSKwVUOE"]Filet and cook Carp[/url]

[url "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFUVXiqTeiY"]Aerial Bowfishing[/url].
I think the guy at 1:30 had the right idea! Bats and rackets. whew. I could just see John Belushi as his Ginzu sword yielding character having a HEY-DAY on this biz!


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So far - haven't really taken photos of the Bowfishing adventures, but I'm-a thinnin' it's time to start!

[FishingLunatic]

Do you want me start killing every fish I catch? Maybe just to make a point I'll stab any catfish, trout, Wall Eye or what ever I catch just to make a point. I'll provide you with lovely pictures. Dang I musta really pissed some of you off to receive lame mockery attempt threads. Yeah Fly fisherman, etc..you're the $tuff, you're totally #1.

[fish_fear_me2]

Geeez calm down he is just joking around...Its not a persoanl attack.
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[FishingLunatic]

Like hell it isn't. I'm seriously debating about just stabbing every non carp fish I catch and posting the pictures of it and see how the majority of the forum likes it. Then everyone will ask what I was doing and I'll say "remember, fish don't feel pain".
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[gstott]

Do you want me start killing every fish I catch? Maybe just to make a point I'll stab any catfish, trout, Wall Eye or what ever I catch just to make a point.

That would actually be illegal and you would receive a hefty fine if caught.

I don't really think you've pissed anybody off. I think if anything you've supplied us all with a lot of entertainment while we wait for the weather to stabilize and the fishing to pick up. So thank you for that.
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[FishingLunatic]

How would that be illegal? Can't I do whatever I want with my legal limit of fish? I'm glad you are getting a kick out of me because I'm getting a kick out of all of you as I'm waiting to get unsick and for the weather to get better as well.
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[gstott]

It is illegal to waste a gamefish. If you stabbed all the game fish you caught, you would be breaking the law. If you are just saying you would immediately stab your legal catch and then take it home and eat it, or donate it to somebody who would eat it, then you would be perfectly within your rights to do so.
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[CoyoteSpinner]

I think somebody needs a chill-pill. Maybe one made with some cod-liver-oil?

Did you watch the video on filetting carp?

There's a number of others, seen articles on options for canning and prepping carp for consumption.

Take a step back and realize - I may NOT be in favor or relocating carp by ANY means, ANY wheres, but the notion of utilizing, not wasting fish - I am in favor of.

I know plenty of folks that grew up, and still consider Perch a trash fish. I'll gladly go fist-da-cuffs over the fryer on that one!

You may not have known me long enough to realize - I'm rarely serious. And I put Waaaay to much effort into trying to be silly on the forum. We got enough folks being Waaaaay to serious. I mean - come on. It's fishing for Pete's sake! (Pete is my dad BTW, we used to Perch fish when I was a kid!)

get emotional, get passionate, but - don't swear.
You are entitled to do what you want with fish you catch, within legal limits. And - for carp - there is no limit.
Can't say I love it, but my boy gets to crown the cats with a rubber mallet before I relieve them of their chunky filets. Impressive how resilient those pups can be!

[cpierce]

I have eaten carp, and it is a good eating fish. Its main problem is that it is bony and harder to fillet.


This is a copy from a post I did back in 2010

There are also some videos mentioned in the post. They are really great for learning how to fillet fish with y bones. Pike and carp are very similar bone wise.

http://www.bigfishtackle.com/cgi-bin/gfo...ost=623186

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All right this is going to sound weird to most of you, but yes I am confessing, I have cooked and eaten carp.

First step is choose a fish from CLEAN, cold water.

Second step is bleed the fish immediately and then put it on ice.

Third step is to fillet it (and debone it) and remove ALL of the dark meat close to the skin.

Fourth, and this is just my preference, I soaked the fillets in a brine for about 30 min. to an hour. I just used a salt and brown sugar mild brine. This is something I generally do for most game meats, and I thought it might remove any overly strong flavors. I don't know if it was necessary as I didn't leave any fillets out to try and see if there was a difference. I should have, I am curious if it makes a difference.

I then grilled them just to get the actual flavor and not the flavor of a breading.

Actually it was quite good, very mild in flavor. Not like perch or other white fleshed fish. It was a light color and more closely resembled the texture of trout or salmon. Closest description would be the flavor and texture of a reservoir trout.

The main problem with carp is the massive amount of bones in it. They have floating Y bones like pike do. I think that smoked or canned would be a good option with them. Canned would probably be the easiest way to get away from the bone problem.

There is a set of 3 youtube videos on dealing with the bones and filleting carp that are excellent. They are about the silver or flying carp, but the ideas are the same for common carp or pike. Here is the link to the third one on deboning:
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I suggest that you watch at least it and the first one. The flying carp are fascinating. What a pest! The second one shows an easy way to cut it up for frying. Leaving the large Y bones in.

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Also I should say, that they have a massive egg sack. I have heard that it is prized and eaten in Asian cultures. Also I have heard of caviar being made from it. I imagine that it could be made into some great fish bait for the bait fishing crowd.

Otherwise the pigs should love it, or it will make some great fertilizer if you can bury it to avoid the smell. --- A field far far away!

I just hate to see it go to a land fill, and least of all do I want to see(or smell) any on the banks, or floating belly up in the water!

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Hey, I am glad I am not the only one with the courage to say that they can be good eating. Congratulations to your wife on her catch.

I think that most people who tried it and didn't like it, didn't skin the fish and remove the dark meat. I also think that the problem with the Y bones is that many end up cutting them in half which leaves twice as many smaller bones in. Leave them whole and they are easily removed or eaten around.

Carp are an amazing fight on a fly rod. They are often referred to as fresh water or golden bonefish, as many fly fishermen hunt them out to hone their casting skills on before going to the Gulf. I haven't ever fished for actual bonefish so I can't compare, but carp are sure fun!

Another misconception is that they are easy to catch and will eat anything. I certainly haven't found that to be the case. They spook very easily and are extremely picky about my fly and presentation. I don't know that I would be able to catch very many to make much of a dent in the population.
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[FishingLunatic]

Yeah I just barely watched it. Honestly you had me totally fooled, with your pictures of them spear and bow fishing, etc., I honestly thought you were trying to piss me off. I recieved a lot of hate from multiple people so perhaps that threw off my perception a little. I like how they use those fish as food rather thhan we how use our carp as fertilizer.

I still don't think anyone would be able to get me to try eating a carp but I'd be more happy with people actually eating them than what we're doing. I think really the spot I care about carp the most is the jordan river. It's my spot of go and try to try to catch as big of a fish as I can. I don't think we need to do anything to the actual Jordan river and really hope we don't do something like poison the whole river and end up killing all the carp and other fish. To me, I dont see why why can't we shouldn't be able to have them there because it no longer has native trout and such that used to live in it. Plus I've seen multiple areas of the Jordan river and they have Dams and there's no way they'd be able to end up back in Utah Lake.
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[retch_sweeney]

Look who's getting trolled now! [laugh][laugh][laugh][laugh]


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[TyeDyeTwins]

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I still don't think anyone would be able to get me to try eating a carp but I'd be more happy with people actually eating them than what we're doing. I think really the spot I care about carp the most is the jordan river. It's my spot of go and try to try to catch as big of a fish as I can. I don't think we need to do anything to the actual Jordan river and really hope we don't do something like poison the whole river and end up killing all the carp and other fish. To me, I dont see why why can't we shouldn't be able to have them there because it no longer has native trout and such that used to live in it. Plus I've seen multiple areas of the Jordan river and they have Dams and there's no way they'd be able to end up back in Utah Lake.[/quote]

Why should we get rid of the carp in the Jordan River? BECASUE IT WILL BECOME A WAY BETTER FISHERY..........THATS WHY!

There are a few trout in the Jordan and there would be a hell of a lot more of them if the nasty carp didn't compete and eat all the dam food in the river. Imagine the fishery we'd have without those stupid things.

But I know you will never be convinced because you are the 20 something year old taking classes at the U of U and that makes you better than anyone else on here, even those with degrees to their name.

So you admit you would not eat a carp but everyone else should if they don't release it? LOL! I would totally expect that rational by you and no one else on here.
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[FishingLunatic]

It's not all about trout fishing and fly fishing...why can't we have 1 place that has carp? It's not like the fish you're talking about are native. In case u haven't haven't noticed people have been catching nice cats, walleye and even pike this year in there. [#0000ff]Deleted[/#0000ff] all u gotta do is go spots where carp aren't at OR use a bait carp don't eat to catch something else. It's not that hard.

Your definition of good fishing must be different than mine. Carp are fun to catch. There's more big ones and the ones that are big are way bigger than normal "big" say trout. The only difference is and trout and such are prettier and more edible. They aren't funner to actually catches. I just LOL at everyone's theory of carp eat everything and there's nothing left for the other fishes. Are you blind? What's with all the other fish catches people are getting? [#0000bf]Deleted [/#0000bf]do you even fish the Jordan River? Have you not seen how much moss is on rocks or ever reeled in and it was on your pole? All fish can eat that.

I'm not saying I'm the best or better than everyone. Some one you act like I'm an idiot saying that or oh your paper sucks. Well I guess all my teacher in the past have been idiots too then. Everyone can keep talking behind the screen all they want.

Wow dude u don't have to eat every fish u catch. Do some of you even fish just for fun? I know you're a fly fisherman and think you're a god but you aren't any better than any1 else. You might as well be breaking the law and keeping slot size cutties and such because ur fly poles take to bloody long to get them in and they're bellying up by the time you put it back anyway!
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[fish_fear_me2]

No matter what happens with the June Sucker recovery program there will always be carp. Nobody said they could get rid of them all. The Jordan isnt targeted soI am not sure what you are worrying about. There will still be carp for you to catch and a cleaner, healthier lake for the rest of us.
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[FishingLunatic]

I'm not too worried I just don't want it to expand or more or something. I've also found carp that have been carried down stream and it's obvious some1 killed them.
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[retch_sweeney]

[quote FishingLunatic]It's not all about trout fishing and fly fishing...why can't we have 1 place that has carp?[font "Comic Sans MS"][#ff0000][size 5] There are MANY places that will always have carp, Utah Lake is one of them.[/size][/#ff0000][/font] It's not like the fish you're talking about are native. [font "Comic Sans MS"][#ff0000][size 5]Trout are native to the Jordan. [/size][/#ff0000][/font]In case u haven't haven't noticed people have been catching nice cats, walleye and even pike this year in there. [#0000ff]Deleted[/#0000ff] all u gotta do is go spots where carp aren't at OR use a bait carp don't eat to catch something else. It's not that hard.

Your definition of good fishing must be different than mine. Carp are fun to catch. There's more big ones and the ones that are big are way bigger than normal "big" say trout. [font "Comic Sans MS"][#ff0000][size 5]Lake Trout reach 30 lbs in Utah. What's the state record carp? [/size][/#ff0000][/font]The only difference is and trout and such are prettier and more edible. They aren't funner to actually catches. I just LOL at everyone's theory of carp eat everything and there's nothing left for the other fishes. [font "Comic Sans MS"][#ff0000][size 5]Carp fry eat what the fry of game fish eat. Each bite taken by a baby carp is one not taken by a game fish or native fish. [/size][/#ff0000][/font]Are you blind? [font "Comic Sans MS"][#ff0000][size 5]WOW! Talk about projection! [/size][/#ff0000][/font] What's with all the other fish catches people are getting? [font "Comic Sans MS"][size 5][#ff0000]They would catch far more and bigger fish if the carp were gone.[/#ff0000][#ff0000] [/#ff0000][/size][/font][#0000bf]Deleted[/#0000bf] do you even fish the Jordan River? [font "Comic Sans MS"][#ff0000][size 5]Carp in the Jordan over 1 pound compete directly with other insectivores/piscivores. [/size][/#ff0000][/font]Have you not seen how much moss is on rocks or ever reeled in and it was on your pole? All fish can eat that. [font "Comic Sans MS"][#ff0000][size 5]FALSE![/size][/#ff0000][/font]

I'm not saying I'm the best or better than everyone. [font "Comic Sans MS"][#ff0000][size 5]You are saying that carp deserve to be treated like a gamefish on par with trout and bass and they are NOT. [/size][/#ff0000][/font]Some one you act like I'm an idiot saying that or oh your paper sucks. Well I guess all my teacher in the past have been idiots too then. Everyone can keep talking behind the screen all they want. [font "Comic Sans MS"][#ff0000][size 5]<You seriously thought this paragraph made sense?[/size][/#ff0000][/font]

Wow dude u don't have to eat every fish u catch. Do some of you even fish just for fun? I know you're a fly fisherman and think you're a god but you aren't any better than any1 else. You might as well be breaking the law and keeping slot size cutties and such because ur fly poles take to bloody long to get them in and they're bellying up by the time you put it back anyway! [font "Comic Sans MS"][#ff0000][size 5]Now you're just flailing about. [/size][/#ff0000][/font][/quote]


[font "Comic Sans MS"][#ff0000][size 5]Face the facts, FLunatic. Water turbidity in Utah Lake is primarily caused by carp uprooting the hiding spots (plants) for game fish fry (that's the babies). Mortality of those fry increases dramatically when they have no place to hide. In addition, that turbidity also inhibits the growth of the basic building blocks of the food chain, the phytoplankton, which in turn makes the whole ecosystem underachieve. The overabundance of carp in Utah Lake truly is the main reason that it is not a trophy fishery for real game fish .
Eleven of the original 13 species of fish found in Utah Lake are now extinct and it would be really to see another one gone if there is something we can do about it. Since our human ancestors introduced the carp that has caused much of the degradation of June Sucker habitat, I think it's only right that we undo what our ancestors did as best we can and that means do our best to eradicate the carp.
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[FishingLunatic]

Red writing 1-I should have been more specific: Yes other bodies of water have carp but there is always bow hunting spear hunting and autokill when caught. WHy can't we have 1 place that isn't like that?

Red writing 2-No, the trout in the Jordan are A) sterile and B) not from the jordan river. they swim in it from other rivers or are ones left over from when they used to plant it. There will never be many in there because they are sterile. There will only be as many as swim downstream from other creeks/rivers.

Red writing 3- Lake Trout aren't in Utah Lake or the Jordan River so it doesn't apply.

Red Writing 4- That's a What if...plus I catch fish based on how the water looks in the Jordan River. I can catch all suckers, all carp, all cat fish, white bass or any combination from using certain bait/techniques and fishing it based on how it looks.

Other notes- Uhh yeah right that the fish don't eat that moss stuff. I promise you suckers do and I suspect everything could or would whether it's their preference food. I've agreed with mostt of your Face The Facts section you wrote. I agree for the June Sucker to survive we must get rid of carp because unlike the other fish they are directly dependent on the vegetation. The other fish would be fine without carp gone but yes for the junie to survive they'd need to be gone. The only other method I disagreed with was what we should do with the carp. Also, most of what you're talking about applies to UTAH Lake, not the jordan river. There are dams and the Jordan RIver carp aren't going to be able to swim back into the lake.
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[jeremypeace]

They do not eat the moss, is it because you have gutted one and found some moss in it that leads you to.believe that is what they were eating? Do you forget that inside that moss is bugs lots of bugs. They are eating the bugs and every once in awhile a chunk of moss gets sucked up full of bugs. Carp are detrimental to the enviroment in so many ways. I catch carp and they are a blast no doubt, but I have watched first hand what happens to water ways when carp have their way with it.no one said your teachers were idiots, but problem is on your ENGLisH paper you were not being graded on if you were correct in your writing, but on if you created good sentence structure, and if you had an original write. No they are not idiots. Your paper was full of wrong information, most of it was guesses not facts.
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[FishingLunatic]

"Full of guesses" speaking of that... It's not speculation that carp removal would mean tons more catches of other species but It's pure speculation about the June Sucker bein able to regain numbers even without carps. One of my sources was a biologist who said Wall eye and White Bass prey on them.

Uhh yeah I was too graded on if I was correct on my writing. Rarely if ever is there a 100% true answer for something. What was I wrong about. I provided stats showing a method of raising June Suckers that was more successful, I agnowledged the best shot at improving June Sucker numbers were to remove carp...All I argued is we should do it ethically. Then I argued we should wait untill getting carp numbers down till altering the provo river(this is an opinion matter, not right or wrong). Then I said some very likely guesses/questions(could be right or wrong, but were there really to show skeptism of the plan we're doing and even my teacher on the paper said good way to create skeptism on her feed back.). I'm only talking about the June Sucker Act as well, not anything else which is what you need to keep in mind.

I got the paper back today...89 %. Pretty happy with it.
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[cpierce]

Nice that you got a decent grade on your paper.

I am curious about what you feel is unethical about how they are removing the carp? What would be a better plan for 5 million pounds of fish?
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