Snagging carp

[GEEZER]

Is it legal to snag carp? By that I mean to just rig up with a large treble hook, drag it through a school and purposely snag them? Wanna get some catfish bait.
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[Kent]

Tom, quoting from the "2016 Utah Fishing Guidebook" under "Taking carp", You may use a variety of techniques -- including angling, traps, archery, dipnets, cast nets, liftnets, seines, crossbow, a handheld spear..." Under "Restrictions on taking fish and crayfish", "You may not take or land a fish by snagging or gaffing..."

It appears to not be legal to snag a carp.
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[Kent]

PS - if you need any help catchin' those catfish, holler, 'cause I know someone who would enjoy chasing them.[]
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[Fishrmn]

(3)(a) A person may not possess a gaff while angling, or take[red] protected aquatic wildlife by snagging [/red]or gaffing, except:

(i) a gaff may be used at Lake Powell to land striped bass; and

[red](ii) snagging may be used at Bear Lake to take Bonneville cisco.[/red]

(b) [red]Except as provided in Subsection (3)(a)(ii) and Section R657-13-21, a fish hooked anywhere other than the mouth must be immediately released.[/red]

R657-13-2. Definitions.
(z) "Protected aquatic wildlife" means, for purposes of this rule only, [red]all species of fish[/red], crustaceans, or amphibians.

[red]R657-13-21.[/red] Catch-and-Kill Regulations.
(2) A person shall immediately kill any aquatic animal caught in a water identified by the Wildlife Board in proclamation or guidebook as catch-and-kill for that species.

(2)(a) Except as provided in Subsection (2)(b), nongame fish may be taken by angling, traps, bow and arrow, liftnets, dipnets, cast nets, seine, or spear in any water of the state with an open fishing season.

Gaffing and snagging aren't the same as bow and arrow, or spear.

R657-13-14. Taking Nongame Fish.

(1)(a) As provided in this Section, a person possessing a valid Utah fishing or combination license may take nongame fish for personal, noncommercial purposes during the open fishing season set for the given body of water.

(b) A person may not take any species of fish designated as prohibited in Section R657-13-13.

(2)(a) Except as provided in Subsection (2)(b), [red]nongame fish may be taken by angling, traps, bow and arrow, liftnets, dipnets, cast nets, seine, or spear in any water of the state with an open fishing season.[/red]

(b) Nongame fish may not be taken in the following waters, except [red]carp may be taken by angling, archery, crossbow, spear, or underwater spearfishing statewide:[/red]

As much as it pains me to say it, I think you're outta luck. Unless you've found a water where carp are listed as catch and kill.



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[RockyRaab]

Leaving the regulations completely aside for the moment, the problem is that you could not prove that you were after carp and not (for example) walleye to a game warden who sees you snagging.
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[GEEZER]

Wull, THAT SUCKS!!!! We're spending megabucks to reduce their numbers in Utah Lake and yet we can't legally snag the damn things???????? Whoodathunk? Guess I'll try doughballs or worms.
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[gmwahl]

[quote GEEZER]Wull, THAT SUCKS!!!! We're spending megabucks to reduce their numbers in Utah Lake and yet we can't legally snag the damn things???????? Whoodathunk? Guess I'll try doughballs or worms.[/quote]

I know, right??

If you can get close enough, go buy a cast net and just toss it over them and you'll have more than you hoped for.

Mike
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[Kent]

[quote gmwahl]

If you can get close enough, go buy a cast net and just toss it over them and you'll have more than you hoped for.

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Yes, including likely a torn cast net.
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[RonPaulFan]

I read all this with the same interest as other alternative fishing methods in the category of survival fishing.

I have new casting nets and haven't practiced once. I should.

Casting nets always seemed backwards to me especially with being torn from whatever tangles it on the bottom.

I wonder if a large pier net (a large hoop net suspended from a rope) might be a good substitute suspended from a long surf fishing rod to be a couple feet below the surface. It makes sense to me -- just wait till the fish or minnows are above it and simply lift the net. Perhaps a rod holder and lifting with the reel would be a good combination for waiting still yet reacting quick enough. I'm thinking the fish might even be less aware of the net simply rising up.

I'm also interested in the various traps.

On snagging,I looked at a chart on Wikipedia of legalities in various states though there is no mention of other nations. I don't limit my fishing to Utah.

I'm learning all sorts of fishing and my latest preparations for learning a new (to me) style is buying surf casting equipment. I just bought new surf casting rods and reels and will eventually use some vacation time to go to a coast to use them.

With all of the survival fishing alternatives that are possible, I still believe the best survival fishing method will be whatever fishing equipment and techniques you regularly use.
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[betterthanwork]

get your self a loaf of grandma sycamores white bread and mash it onto a hook like power bait. works every time[]
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[TubeDude]

[#0000FF]Hey Tom, this is one of those silly oversight or unintentional omission type things in the regs. Over the years carp have been "forcibly removed" from Utah Lake by ALL means...including explosives, firearms, pitchforks...you name it. I suspect that the main reason snagging is specifically excluded is because there are so many happy harvesters who aggressively snag walleyes. Allowing the deliberate snagging of carp would provide an "alibi" for someone rigged for snagging walleye to claim they were targeting carp.

Howsomever, it has been customary for DWR officers to largely ignore the accidental snagging of carp while casting bait or lures for other species. They have the discretion of not citing someone for keeping an accidentally snagged carp for bait...or for performing a "gillectomy" and releasing unharmed. I have had this confirmed in discussions with COs over the years.

You don't have to use dough balls for carp. They will actively hit small jigs and other lures. They hit especially well if you tip your jigs with worm. I catch a lot of carp every year while pitching jigs for other species...some in the kisser and others in various other parts of their anatomy.

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Tail taker.
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I keep what I need for bait and release the rest unharmed.
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[fishinfool]

I would suggest getting a cheap bow fishing rig, If you don't want to I will meet you at provo marina this week and shoot as many as you need.

Let me know.

By the way the cats seem to be done with there dance and have disappeared from the marina dike. Sucks because I was having so much fun sight fishing for them.

Guess it's time to get the boat out and shoot some carp.

fnf[cool]
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[Troll]

Does bow shooting carp require a hunting license, or is it considered angling.
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[fishinfool]

Bow fishing is one of the methods you can use to take carp. There are regulations on where you can shoot but most the state is open to it. And yes I think you need a valid fishing license as stated above.

I see guys shooting carp just about anywhere on utah lake. including the marina which I thought was off limits but I have watched the DNR trucks sit there and watch them.

I shoot them right off the west dike.

fnf[]
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[GEEZER]

Oh for 1/4 stick of 60% gelamite, a 2"X1" bolt, a cap , tape and a 2" fuse. Whump!!! all the carp I'd need for 10 yrs. Perish the thought of a junie being collateral damage!
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