12-10-2009, 09:08 PM
[quote SHigSpeed][quote flygoddess]If you're set on a 3 foot pack rod, I'll build you a kick ass 2 piece graphite rod using the top two sections of a quality blank. It'll cost less than the Emmrod, and weigh about a third or less than it.
You being an engineer....think that is a good idea? Taper?
Yea the Pocket fisherman was a toy and he laughed all the way to the bank.
Had a friend that had one...trust me, he could cast more than 5'.
These spring rods don't look to be effective fly rods, but the masses here are NOT die hard fly fishers.
I would say 99% of them switch to suit their needs.
Even sticking that little chunk of worm or putting stink can discredit calling it Fly Fishing.
So, as a spinning outfit, I again, don't see the big deal. How many can cast a lure over 5' with an ice rod...I bet they can come close to 30' or better.[/quote]
So you agree taper is important? If those spring rods were graphite, for the sake of casting they'd have a reverse taper. Skinny or thin walled near the grip and fat and thick walled from there with no taper all the way to the tip.
As for casting distance, it's similar to comparing throwing a baseball or throwing it using a lacrosse stick. How hard do you want to work? Assuming a rigid rod the tip speed and therefore casting impulse of a rod is directly proportional to the length. A 6 foot broomstick will have 4 TIMES the casting velocity of an 18" one with the SAME SWING SPEED. Add into this equation a properly designed system that loads the rod for casting a window of weights and your efficiency goes way up. Sure you can get workable distance with a Pocket Fisherman or an Emmrod, but how much do you like your rotator cuffs? Good luck throwing a 1/64 oz jig or weightless Size 0 needlefish any distance with Emm or Ron. Popeil suceeded because he was a master marketer. He talked men into thinking that painting their bald spots was a good alternative to toupees. I begged and pleaded for my mom to buy me the in-the-shell egg scrambler.
At least my proposed stubby rod would have a relatvely progressive taper and better loading characteristics rather than a semi-flexible hinged stick. The top two sections of a super fast 6 weight 6 piece pack blank would probably work decent and orders of magnitude better than the Emm.
I still haven't seen anyone propose a situation where this system is cheaper or more effective or more enjoyable than any number of available alternatives out there.
Maybe if you want to fish for blind cave trout while spelunking in the caverns of Belize, but certainly not for tubing.
Anyone?
_SHig [/quote]
Thanks for the eval. SHig. I think that this niche pack rod area has never been solved, that's why we keep seeing repeated attempts with various quick fixes. Your solution for a 4.5 ' rod seems like the best idea yet, but could someone go commercial, with money back guarantee, and still make a profit? The ice fishing rods are also a possible solution if they have enough stiffness and are compact enough. I have built my own homemade 2 piece 3.5 foot spinning solution which works well for what I like to do. Those would be my proposals that are better than anything commercial at this time. Still on the lookout for ever smaller, lighter and more compact. Some of the videos with the nimrod were pretty good, but could have been staged in such a way to sell.
I've owned various telescopic rods from low end China mart to about $40 or so. Not a good solution- collapse of section while fighting a fish to very fragile sections that crack or crush easily. Need to pack 3 to be sure one works when you get at destination-and they're too long. Maybe there's a high end product some would know about. The 6 section rods are heavier and have flexability issues because of so many connectors, plus they're way too long and assembly/ disassembly is problematic. That's the way I see things for us spelunking types anyway, what do you think?
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You being an engineer....think that is a good idea? Taper?
Yea the Pocket fisherman was a toy and he laughed all the way to the bank.
Had a friend that had one...trust me, he could cast more than 5'.
These spring rods don't look to be effective fly rods, but the masses here are NOT die hard fly fishers.
I would say 99% of them switch to suit their needs.
Even sticking that little chunk of worm or putting stink can discredit calling it Fly Fishing.
So, as a spinning outfit, I again, don't see the big deal. How many can cast a lure over 5' with an ice rod...I bet they can come close to 30' or better.[/quote]
So you agree taper is important? If those spring rods were graphite, for the sake of casting they'd have a reverse taper. Skinny or thin walled near the grip and fat and thick walled from there with no taper all the way to the tip.
As for casting distance, it's similar to comparing throwing a baseball or throwing it using a lacrosse stick. How hard do you want to work? Assuming a rigid rod the tip speed and therefore casting impulse of a rod is directly proportional to the length. A 6 foot broomstick will have 4 TIMES the casting velocity of an 18" one with the SAME SWING SPEED. Add into this equation a properly designed system that loads the rod for casting a window of weights and your efficiency goes way up. Sure you can get workable distance with a Pocket Fisherman or an Emmrod, but how much do you like your rotator cuffs? Good luck throwing a 1/64 oz jig or weightless Size 0 needlefish any distance with Emm or Ron. Popeil suceeded because he was a master marketer. He talked men into thinking that painting their bald spots was a good alternative to toupees. I begged and pleaded for my mom to buy me the in-the-shell egg scrambler.
At least my proposed stubby rod would have a relatvely progressive taper and better loading characteristics rather than a semi-flexible hinged stick. The top two sections of a super fast 6 weight 6 piece pack blank would probably work decent and orders of magnitude better than the Emm.
I still haven't seen anyone propose a situation where this system is cheaper or more effective or more enjoyable than any number of available alternatives out there.
Maybe if you want to fish for blind cave trout while spelunking in the caverns of Belize, but certainly not for tubing.
Anyone?
_SHig [/quote]
Thanks for the eval. SHig. I think that this niche pack rod area has never been solved, that's why we keep seeing repeated attempts with various quick fixes. Your solution for a 4.5 ' rod seems like the best idea yet, but could someone go commercial, with money back guarantee, and still make a profit? The ice fishing rods are also a possible solution if they have enough stiffness and are compact enough. I have built my own homemade 2 piece 3.5 foot spinning solution which works well for what I like to do. Those would be my proposals that are better than anything commercial at this time. Still on the lookout for ever smaller, lighter and more compact. Some of the videos with the nimrod were pretty good, but could have been staged in such a way to sell.
I've owned various telescopic rods from low end China mart to about $40 or so. Not a good solution- collapse of section while fighting a fish to very fragile sections that crack or crush easily. Need to pack 3 to be sure one works when you get at destination-and they're too long. Maybe there's a high end product some would know about. The 6 section rods are heavier and have flexability issues because of so many connectors, plus they're way too long and assembly/ disassembly is problematic. That's the way I see things for us spelunking types anyway, what do you think?
Pon
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