02-04-2013, 07:50 PM
[quote Darkcloud]I am used to other sites that nobody knows any facts, they just think they know everything. [/quote]
21 posts into your BFT career, and you're comparing some of us to "other sites" where we just think we know?
Don't give us too much credit. You'll find out we're all just a bunch of "know-it-alls" with our own personal agendas anway...
[quote Darkcloud]Most of the trout died off a few years ago due to the HOT water, not the pike eating them all, thats what the biologist have told me. [/quote]
Listen to the biologists better next time. Hear what they say, not what you want to hear. HOT water didn't kill the trout. Utah has a lot of low elevation shallow impoundments (Minersville?) that have fantastic trout populations. Yuba's trout population went down the tube because the DWR discontinued the program (ie: stocking) because it wasn't a long-term solution. It was a short-term solution to provide a temporary fishery until other species (perch, walleye, pike) re-established themselves.
[quote Darkcloud]
The planting of white bass cant be much different then when they planted perch in the lake, not to metion the northerns. How can they get by with putting in northerns in redmond and yuba, but the white bass would be a problem with the native fish? [/quote]
Yuba: The perch were already there, and approval was granted to stock additional perch to "boost" their population and get them established prior to the walleye or pike population establishing. As for pike -- they weren't stocked. They were already in the Sevier River system above Yuba -- they came back on their own -- thus the supplemental perch stocking to boost their populations.
Redmond -- It's "off chanel" from the Sevier. The Sevier doesn't flow through that reservoir, and thus getting permission to stock other species in it isn't as challenging as Yuba might be.
[quote Darkcloud]
What other options do you guys suggest? Just let it go and run its course? But all other lakes get better management? If we could increase the fishing pressure on yuba it would take some off of other lakes, other then the die hard trout fishermen. I would just like to see some better management on the lake for the fish.
Lets hear some thoughts.[/quote]
Other options?
1. How many northern pike fisheries does Utah have? Yuba is GREAT right now!
Until fisheries managers have some control over Yuba, it is always going to be a struggle for managers. If pike can prove to help alleviate the management, and they prove to be a more "stable" population than walleye or perch, then why change anything at all?
Adding additional predators - no matter how you look at them, white bass are predators - is not a solution. It actually compounds the problem.
I have not ever been a Yuba fan. I've never been interested in walleye and perch. However, with the latest turn of events -- the pike "out-racing" the walleye for control -- I'm much, much, much more interested in fishing at Yuba. Ironically, we've been talking and making some tentative plans to fish Yuba this spring/summer. That never would have happened with a walleye/perch fishery. It's the pike that have made Yuba interesting again. (just my opinion)
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21 posts into your BFT career, and you're comparing some of us to "other sites" where we just think we know?
Don't give us too much credit. You'll find out we're all just a bunch of "know-it-alls" with our own personal agendas anway...
[quote Darkcloud]Most of the trout died off a few years ago due to the HOT water, not the pike eating them all, thats what the biologist have told me. [/quote]
Listen to the biologists better next time. Hear what they say, not what you want to hear. HOT water didn't kill the trout. Utah has a lot of low elevation shallow impoundments (Minersville?) that have fantastic trout populations. Yuba's trout population went down the tube because the DWR discontinued the program (ie: stocking) because it wasn't a long-term solution. It was a short-term solution to provide a temporary fishery until other species (perch, walleye, pike) re-established themselves.
[quote Darkcloud]
The planting of white bass cant be much different then when they planted perch in the lake, not to metion the northerns. How can they get by with putting in northerns in redmond and yuba, but the white bass would be a problem with the native fish? [/quote]
Yuba: The perch were already there, and approval was granted to stock additional perch to "boost" their population and get them established prior to the walleye or pike population establishing. As for pike -- they weren't stocked. They were already in the Sevier River system above Yuba -- they came back on their own -- thus the supplemental perch stocking to boost their populations.
Redmond -- It's "off chanel" from the Sevier. The Sevier doesn't flow through that reservoir, and thus getting permission to stock other species in it isn't as challenging as Yuba might be.
[quote Darkcloud]
What other options do you guys suggest? Just let it go and run its course? But all other lakes get better management? If we could increase the fishing pressure on yuba it would take some off of other lakes, other then the die hard trout fishermen. I would just like to see some better management on the lake for the fish.
Lets hear some thoughts.[/quote]
Other options?
1. How many northern pike fisheries does Utah have? Yuba is GREAT right now!
Until fisheries managers have some control over Yuba, it is always going to be a struggle for managers. If pike can prove to help alleviate the management, and they prove to be a more "stable" population than walleye or perch, then why change anything at all?
Adding additional predators - no matter how you look at them, white bass are predators - is not a solution. It actually compounds the problem.
I have not ever been a Yuba fan. I've never been interested in walleye and perch. However, with the latest turn of events -- the pike "out-racing" the walleye for control -- I'm much, much, much more interested in fishing at Yuba. Ironically, we've been talking and making some tentative plans to fish Yuba this spring/summer. That never would have happened with a walleye/perch fishery. It's the pike that have made Yuba interesting again. (just my opinion)
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