04-02-2020, 03:13 AM
Bob, I just think that you are all too willing to give up freedom for security, and will end up with neither. You started this and I felt it was imperitive that we have some balance.
Do you know that the government is now tracking our cell phones to see how far we are traveling from home and determining what is essential travel? At this time, I suspect it is group tracking, not specific tracking, but it is being done. The graph results were posted today on FOX. It is a pretty small step to track each of us individually.
PS, those were real news reports from several of the drive by media yesterday, not rumors.
Sources, 1) KSL, 2) KSL, 3) CDC.
We don't agree that most people that want to protect themselves have firearms. We do agree that they probably won't be safer with firearms that they don't even know how to use this late in the game. IMHO your HO is wrong.
And while I would love to rebut each topic, I think the point is already made. Yes, I am comparing the virus today with 100 years ago, because until we have a vaccine, we are no better off. Even with Trump's push to remove the red tape, we still likley won't have it ready for next year. I do hope I am wrong on the time line. If the two test being done now on current vaccines work, and we don't have sufficient evidence yet to believe it will, then the only real treatment is for us to all catch it to get the antibodies. We are not even sure how many lives that would cost, but it would be horrific.
The point is that neither of us are belittling each other, we just don't agree with each other on the specifics. I am sure that I am right, and I suspect that you are equally sure that you are right.
So, here is my HOPE. My hope is that freedom is NOT LOST. My hope is that Governments and political parties will learn to work together and use crisis to take advantage. My hope is that one day you and I can meet at the shore and shake each other's hand, without so much fear that we have to stand 6' or more away. My hope is that at 77, you don't need to spend your last year in lockdown. You are right, the Governor of Utah has made "suggestions", not "orders" as of today. Counties are not as limited in their scope. But, I know of no threats, like Washington DC, to lock up people that violate the Stay At Home order.
Be well Bob, be well everyone, and be safe. We can disagree and still like each other.
Do you know that the government is now tracking our cell phones to see how far we are traveling from home and determining what is essential travel? At this time, I suspect it is group tracking, not specific tracking, but it is being done. The graph results were posted today on FOX. It is a pretty small step to track each of us individually.
PS, those were real news reports from several of the drive by media yesterday, not rumors.
Sources, 1) KSL, 2) KSL, 3) CDC.
We don't agree that most people that want to protect themselves have firearms. We do agree that they probably won't be safer with firearms that they don't even know how to use this late in the game. IMHO your HO is wrong.
And while I would love to rebut each topic, I think the point is already made. Yes, I am comparing the virus today with 100 years ago, because until we have a vaccine, we are no better off. Even with Trump's push to remove the red tape, we still likley won't have it ready for next year. I do hope I am wrong on the time line. If the two test being done now on current vaccines work, and we don't have sufficient evidence yet to believe it will, then the only real treatment is for us to all catch it to get the antibodies. We are not even sure how many lives that would cost, but it would be horrific.
The point is that neither of us are belittling each other, we just don't agree with each other on the specifics. I am sure that I am right, and I suspect that you are equally sure that you are right.
So, here is my HOPE. My hope is that freedom is NOT LOST. My hope is that Governments and political parties will learn to work together and use crisis to take advantage. My hope is that one day you and I can meet at the shore and shake each other's hand, without so much fear that we have to stand 6' or more away. My hope is that at 77, you don't need to spend your last year in lockdown. You are right, the Governor of Utah has made "suggestions", not "orders" as of today. Counties are not as limited in their scope. But, I know of no threats, like Washington DC, to lock up people that violate the Stay At Home order.
Be well Bob, be well everyone, and be safe. We can disagree and still like each other.